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jstan
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Jan 11, 2011 - 08:06pm PT
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"By the way, we call the rest of what you wrote, "The fallacy of false analogy." It isn't even worth responding to."
How so Skip?
What was false in the republican effort to interfere in the Shiavo matter?
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Jan 11, 2011 - 09:12pm PT
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Hey Bluering
listen to the News, not Faux News
He voted Republican, he listening to right wing propaganda,
he was a White Supremacist, she was Jewish, he planned this murder, he wrote about it
not all right wingers are as cool as you, and like the Jew
his friends said he didn't do drugs
have you heard any of this yet
Care to post a factually based link, Dr.F???? I heard he was registered Independant and didn't even vot in the 2010 election.
You are a scary mirror of this psycho left-winger. You just spout what you think with no basis in fact. You WANT something to turn a certain way to suit your twisted agenda.
Just because you say something, doesn't make it so. You are a twisted man. You have clowded your judgement in political rhetoric, but it's crazy left-wing crap!
You may need help, dude. You have no real logical judgement. You just spout crap. And none of you sh#t is based in fact!!!!
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Jan 11, 2011 - 10:15pm PT
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all my stuff is based in Facts
Proven facts
(Unless the the phrase "some say" is included, then its pure fun BS to make a point)
you just haven't heard them, and never will except here
Because they don't tell you that stuff on the right
You should just Block me, so then you can be Blurred out of your mind, just like you like it
I don't think you know facts or reality from speculation and rhetoric. I know you don't...
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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Jan 11, 2011 - 10:44pm PT
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Skip wrote: How else does a nobody community organizer get to be President of the United States?
Dumbsh#t..its called an election process. He won 54 percent of the vote.
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jstan
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Jan 11, 2011 - 11:19pm PT
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Being crusty and superior won't do it with me, Skip. Let me phrase my question differently.
What activities do you consider proper for government? That was your point and I presented one activity that I consider improper. I was addressing precisely the topic you raised.
Give us a list of the activities you consider proper and we will discuss it?
You might also break them down also as to which are activities of government that you are also willing to fund with your taxes.
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Jan 11, 2011 - 11:25pm PT
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What activities do you consider proper for government?
I think that was well defined by the Continental Congress in a quite concise document.
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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Jan 11, 2011 - 11:26pm PT
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TGT wrote: I think that was well defined by the Continental Congress in a quite concise document.
That has been amended over time.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Jan 11, 2011 - 11:27pm PT
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Being crusty and superior won't do it with me, Skip. Let me phrase my question differently.
What activities do you consider proper for government?
Defense, Commerce (with regulations), the States.
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jstan
climber
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Jan 11, 2011 - 11:28pm PT
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TGT:
I don't believe Skip was signatory to that document.
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Jan 11, 2011 - 11:30pm PT
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And about half the amendments were at the insistence of George Mason and others that refused to sign without a declaration of rights that reflected the guarantees in the Virginia declaration of rights.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Jan 11, 2011 - 11:33pm PT
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I don't see why he'd oppose it?
State's rights
Freedom of commerce (with fair regs)
National Defense (to include space research)
Personal freedom of expression
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jstan
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Jan 11, 2011 - 11:34pm PT
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This is good.
Now Blue brings up commerce and its regulation. We have just had a serious lapse in that sphere with US financial corporations issuing securities that proved of little value. Indeed those securities endangered economies worldwide. Are you willing to support increased government regulation of commerce both in spirit and with your tax monies?
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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Jan 11, 2011 - 11:35pm PT
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TGT wrote: And about half the amendments were at the insistence of George Mason and others that refused to sign without a declaration of rights that reflected the guarantees in the Virginia declaration of rights.
What's your point?
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Jan 11, 2011 - 11:40pm PT
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Now Blue brings up commerce and its regulation. We have just had a serious lapse in that sphere with US financial corporations issuing securities that proved of little value. Are you willing to support increased government regulation of commerce both in spirit and with your tax monies?
So you agree that more regulation is better??? I do...
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Jan 11, 2011 - 11:40pm PT
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I like as demonstrated in November, a majority still of the electorate believe that the constraints that the Constitution places on federal power still counts for something.
Take your socialist statisim and stuff it.
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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Jan 11, 2011 - 11:43pm PT
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TGT wrote: I like as demonstrated in November, a majority still of the electorate believe that the constraints that the Constitution places on federal power still counts for something.
Funny...you were not stating that in 2006 & 2008.
Take your Federalists sh#t and shove it.
Do you also understand that senate and the executive branch is still controlled by majority elected officials??
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jstan
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Jan 11, 2011 - 11:58pm PT
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Well TGT, I have enjoyed our conversation. It has been a pleasure.
Blue:
In basic outline I think we are probably in agreement on regulation of commerce. The devil is, of course, in the details and the forces acting in that sphere are very powerful. Given the best data we can get, stuff like this has simply to be hammered out together.
I am no expert but I thought AIG's issuing something nearing one hundred trillion dollars in credit default swaps as insurance against market moves
with no capital to back it up
was just a bit sketchy, if I may so term it. Markets always move for gosh sakes.
That was a face palm event of the first order.
Even now do we know how to prevent things this bad in the future? And why did this not happen in previous generations? What changed?
MATT:
"I've never seen anything like these bloody poseurs."
As chance would have it your problem is you are just too young. Pull up some newspapers from the late 1850's. It began to pick up steam in Kansas as I remember. South Carolina papers are also a good source.
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jstan
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Jan 12, 2011 - 12:15am PT
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Skip:
Great to see you are back in the thread. We have been looking for ideas on the regulation of commerce. Any thoughts on this?
Matt:
Those papers are an education all by themselves, eh?
When you consider that more than an entire generation of young men in the south lost their lives to protect investments belonging to the wealthy, I get deja vu. The similarity is eerie.
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Jan 12, 2011 - 12:23am PT
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J stan
it would be productive to have a debate on these questions, but the tiresome interruptions and invective of the three stooges make civil discourse well nigh impossible.
There could be a productive discussion on what problems were exacerbated by government action and what could be ameliorated. but, given with the background noise here, is it worth the effort?
It's like trying to have a grownup discussion with the distant aunt's unrully two year olds running around the room.
So I've given up, and adopted the posture of just dragging a stick across the cage often enough to let the curs proclaim their presence with their yapping.
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jstan
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Jan 12, 2011 - 12:28am PT
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TGT:
We seem to agree a productive discussion is needed. I would urge you just to put your stick down and let the problem be worked on.
It is not necessary that we find the answer.
It is very necessary that we begin work.
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