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HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Swimming in LEB tears.
Jan 11, 2011 - 01:44pm PT
Fatty said
Journalism majors are usually Dems, this one seems to be struggling with rational thought:


"Many students, myself included, are afraid of this budget proposal from the governor," said San Jose student Patrick Ahrens, 22, a political science major at UCLA who has experienced major fee hikes.


What did you major in again, Fatty? Because you seem to be struggling with basic literacy.



*edit* Actually, as I reread it, your whole post was pretty incoherent.
JEleazarian

Trad climber
Fresno CA
Jan 11, 2011 - 02:28pm PT
I see the call for civilized dialogue has an overwhelmingly positive response here at ST.

John
Ksolem

Trad climber
Monrovia, California
Jan 11, 2011 - 02:39pm PT
Sorry not buying it, and I'm not naive enough to believe that most right-wingers don't applaud what happened Saturday, putting the hate-speech your leaders use and support into action

You’re really going off the deep end, Joe. Get it together, man.

"The kind of rhetoric that flows from people like Rush Limbaugh, in my judgment he is irresponsible, uses partial information, sometimes wrong information," Pima County Sheriff Clarence Dupnik said today. "[Limbaugh] attacks people, angers them against government, angers them against elected officials and that kind of behavior in my opinion is not without consequences."

I’m not a Rush fan, but this Sherriff is way out of line. His job is law enforcement, not public speculation with absolutely zero evidence to support his claims. No one knows why the shooter did what he did, but I don’t think the Sherriff can even say whether the guy listened to Rush or Palin or anyone else. The Sherriff’s remarks may well actually benefit the killer in trial. Completely irresponsible.

Your attempt to link the killings of JFK (still unsolved as far as I am concerned, but if you go with the Warren Commission, he was shot by a communist,) RFK (Sirhan was a right winger?) and MLK is unscholastic to put it politely.

If that catches another one of you idiots before you murder more women and children then it's all good

But first we need to ban your murderous, treasonous rhetoric from the airwaves so your psychotic, sociopathic base doesn't feel validated by what they hear from your hate-radio goons.

Wow, like I said, off the deep end. Try meditation or something, settle it down.

Going after free speech as a reaction to this insane shooting is just about as smart as invading Iraq in response to 9-11, and even more potentially harmful to the country.


JEleazarian

Trad climber
Fresno CA
Jan 11, 2011 - 02:42pm PT
The left's definition of "hate speech" as demonstrated by jhedge's last post, is anything that disagrees with leftist politics or agendas. I, as most people, denounce anyone advocating illegal violence. Unlike you, I don't try to interfere with the rights of those with whom I disagree to speak.

In Fresno, the Democratic Pary is organizing a protest outside the studio of Fresno's most popular radio station, because it airs Limbaugh and some local, mildly conservative commentators. Trying to blame the actions of one madman on the denunciation of leftist policies and politicians is bad enough. Interfering with free speech in the name of public safety is despicable.

John
Ksolem

Trad climber
Monrovia, California
Jan 11, 2011 - 02:46pm PT
`How does a political culture affect the content of people's delusions?'"

The fundamental of our political culture is freedom of speech and the press.

Attempting to influence the behavior of delusional people by regulating public discourse is unAmerican and illegal.
philo

Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
Jan 11, 2011 - 02:59pm PT
Don't forget incitement to violence.

And that HE had a Plan.
Ksolem

Trad climber
Monrovia, California
Jan 11, 2011 - 03:05pm PT
The Sherriff is covering his ass. The shooter had been on his department's radar for several years, lots of people thought the guy was dangerously crazy. This whole incident was preventable and the Sherriff knows it, so he lashes out at political opponents who have no connection whatsoever to the shooter. None.

It will be interesting watching the whole story leak out, but we will have to pay attention because the MSM will drop it like a hot potato.

Someone should ask the Sherriff, at one of his frequent public appearances, why a publicized community event held by a member of Congress in his jurisdiction did not warrant even minimal police presence?
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Jan 11, 2011 - 03:07pm PT
I, as most people, denounce anyone advocating illegal violence

John, it is just this kind of "plausibly deniable" hairsplitting, that pushes me away from republicans, every time.

So you are totally in favor of LEGAL violence. Certainly, there are members of your party that advocate that "2nd amendment solutions" are exaxtly that, and what the framers had in mind. Replenishing the Tree of Liberty, falls into that same sort of rhetoric.

The GOP is masterful at using language artfully, to send messages. One of the most popular conservative merchandise sellers last year had this message: " pray for obama psalm 109:8 " What, precisely, did that mean?
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Jan 11, 2011 - 03:13pm PT
Ksolem writes:

The Sherriff is covering his ass. The shooter had been on his department's radar for several years, lots of people thought the guy was dangerously crazy. This whole incident was preventable and the Sherriff knows it, so he lashes out at political opponents who have no connection whatsoever to the shooter. None.

It will be interesting watching the whole story leak out, but we will have to pay attention because the MSM will drop it like a hot potato.

Someone should ask the Sherriff, at one of his frequent public appearances, why a publicized community event held by a member of Congress in his jurisdiction did not warrant even minimal police presence?

The Sheriff was a personal friend of both the Congresswoman, and the Judge. You may never have the misfortune of having people close to you be the victim of violence, but I'd give you a certain amount of license immediately afterwards. I have no doubt that the emotion of his statements comes not from political motivations, but personal anguish.

I am fascinated by your assertion that the State, in the form of armed police, should, without invitation, monitor political gatherings on US soil. Would that be only one party that warrants this monitoring??
Ksolem

Trad climber
Monrovia, California
Jan 11, 2011 - 03:16pm PT
Like I said, when I hear one of you sanctimonious hypocrites denounce the hate-speech your party thrives on and uses to attract the neanderthals that form your base, then you might actually qualify to crawl out of the moral gutter you currently reside in with that shooter, who only acted out what your leaders have been advocating.

Joe, you're really on the edge. Calm down or you'll make yourself ill.

By the way, how could you know what political party, if any, I belong to?

Defending freedom of speech from irresponsible incompetents like that Sherriff puts me, in your view, in some sort of moral ditch with the shooter?? If I weren't laughing I'd be offended.

Edit: Ken, police regularly attend political events, not to monitor but to protect and serve.

I gave the Sherriff lot's of leeway when he went off at his first appearance. Understood but wrong. Nows he's been at it for days. It's time for him to shut up.
Crimpergirl

Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
Jan 11, 2011 - 03:19pm PT
Wasn't the female who knocked the cartridge from the gunman's hand a sheriff's deputy? This was reported after the incident, but I'd not heard a follow up to it.

It is my understanding that three folks took him down/aided in his apprehension. The older man who was grazed by a bullet in the head but still grabbed him left arm to tackle him. Another man who walloped the gunman with a chair then pounced him. And the female deputy who knocked the empty and new cartridge away.
Ksolem

Trad climber
Monrovia, California
Jan 11, 2011 - 03:21pm PT
I heard her interviewed. She said nothing about being in law enforcement, but I do not know.

edit: Jeez. I broke my New Years resolution.
Crimpergirl

Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
Jan 11, 2011 - 03:35pm PT
Kris - it may have been an erroneous report that I heard stating she was a deputy. Lot's of confusing information in the immediate aftermath that is still being disentangled it seems.
JEleazarian

Trad climber
Fresno CA
Jan 11, 2011 - 03:40pm PT
Ken,

I used the "hair-splitting" term "illegal" precisely because violence is legal in certian instances, not the least of which was that involved in detaining the shooter.

I assumed that if I did not include the term "illegal," someone on the left side of this debate would ask why I don't denounce, for example, every law enforcement officer-involved shooting, or any act of war.

Joe,

Restiction of speech may not take precedence over public safety in certain situations, such as the infamous shouting "fire!" in a crowded theatre, but opinions of those with whom the Democratic Party disagrees are simply classic, protected, political speech. The attempt of the Democrats to use their demagoguery of this tragic incident to silence their political opponents flies in the face of the First Amendment, and they know it. For shame!

John
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Jan 11, 2011 - 04:17pm PT
MH..Reagan was a republican.
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Jan 11, 2011 - 04:20pm PT
JE wrote: The attempt of the Democrats to use their demagoguery of this tragic incident to silence their political opponents flies in the face of the First Amendment, and they know it.


No one is trying to silence anything but if you are going to promote language that incites at least take responsibility for it.
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Jan 11, 2011 - 05:28pm PT
I long for the days of Leave it to Beaver, Ozzie and Harriet, apple pie American VALUES.

Life in America was so much simpler and better in the 1950s.

Everyone knew their place.

And kept to their place.

The right people got the right jobs and right education.

America DOES need construction workers and grocery carry out boys.

Not everyone should be given a college education.

Well DUH. I'm sure you all agree.


jstan

climber
Jan 11, 2011 - 05:59pm PT
"If you want the people to stop talking about Government ... Then get Government out of their lives."

You get the feeling we here in this country are all living in a fog. The people who took a family decision on Terri Shiavo all the way to Congress and the Supreme Court, are here arguing there is too much government.

We can only guess at what job Tom Delay will get once he is out of the slammer. Does his prison term end in time for 2012?

Our poor reputation for rational behavior does us great damage internationally. Nations with whom we need to ally ourselves, and can ally ourselves, will move away from us on the Group W bench.

We are not rational.

We can't be trusted.

Keep it up and it will make sense for countries to start cooperating as regards the programming of their missiles.
Elcapinyoazz

Social climber
Joshua Tree
Jan 11, 2011 - 06:34pm PT
This thread is strangely coherent, aside from the block quotes, once I installed the greasemonkey script.
euro-brief-guy

Boulder climber
Auburn, ca
Jan 11, 2011 - 07:19pm PT
Keep it up Skipt.....I love seeing them froth at the mouth.
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