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the Fet
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Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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Mar 17, 2016 - 03:25pm PT
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Unless that video shot by the drone is somehow faked I can't see how the shooting was anything other than what was clearly seen.
Finicum had his hands up at one point but then reaches to his waistband with his right hand and turns toward the policeman coming out of the woods who shoots him. The video from inside the truck adds the audio where he's yelling "shoot me! shoot me! shoot me!".
But you get the people who say it was murder and he had his hands up. You can't reason with people like that who somehow can see something other than what's clearly visible in a video. Imagine if there were no video the conspiracy theories you'd be hearing.
There were flash bombs going off as soon as they approached the road block.
Yes it's fishy that some FBI agents fired and didn't report it, BUT that was made public and they are being reprimanded for that. If there was some govt. conspiracy to murder them don't you think they'd just keep that under wraps.
The video of the fat guy is so funny. "They're about to murder us all, so come down and join us! If they won't let you in, kill them!" Wow, so tempting, I don't know why they didn't get anyone to come join them?
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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 17, 2016 - 03:31pm PT
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Cliven Bundy killed Lavoy Finicum, if allowed to continue his seditionist BS many more will die.
So the FBI agents should be in jail for not reporting two shots? What law did they break? Maybe some perjury, but that rarely results in jail time, unless your name is Martha Stewart.
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Spiny Norman
Social climber
Boring, Oregon
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Mar 17, 2016 - 04:38pm PT
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IF that old man is dangerous to himself or others, seeing as he has never fired a shot at a single person.......then how dangerous are the two FBI agents that shot at people and didn't have the good sense to report it.
Ya know, There oughtta be a law!
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Mar 17, 2016 - 04:41pm PT
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Just check out LaVoy Finnicum Supporter FB page if you want to know what's really going on.....
Escargot is posting there as Free Range Queen.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Mar 17, 2016 - 04:45pm PT
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Hey, they wanted to occupy a federal facility, now they're going to get to. More power to them.
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skcreidc
Social climber
SD, CA
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Mar 17, 2016 - 04:51pm PT
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Free Range Queen??
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Mar 17, 2016 - 07:09pm PT
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Will they enlist in the Aryan Nation or go it alone?
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Escopeta
Trad climber
Idaho
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Mar 17, 2016 - 07:11pm PT
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So the FBI agents should be in jail for not reporting two shots? What law did they break?
I'm just going to repost the quote above to let the stupidity and hypocrisy aerate a little.
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Fritz
Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Mar 17, 2016 - 07:22pm PT
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Free Range Queen? On Facebook
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Escopeta?
Say it ain't so Shotgun!
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Escopeta
Trad climber
Idaho
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Mar 17, 2016 - 07:25pm PT
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Zbrown, its not nice to post pics of Fritz without his consent.
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Mar 17, 2016 - 07:56pm PT
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If I was Clivan, i'd get Da Brim, it seems that along with swastikas it's the tie that binds all together.
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Mar 17, 2016 - 08:03pm PT
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Excuse me for saying that that's a dumb mutherfu&&er right there....
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jonnyrig
climber
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Mar 17, 2016 - 09:12pm PT
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The lengths some people will go to rationalize anything is amazing.
Excuse me for saying that that's a dumb mutherfu&&er right there...
Well, that sums up just about f*#kin everything (applied on a much broader spectrum, of course).
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F
climber
away from the ground
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Mar 17, 2016 - 09:24pm PT
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I hate to have to clue you guys in here.... But Escopedro is the smartest guy in the room here.
Mar 17, 2016 - 02:41pm PT
IF that old man is dangerous to himself or others, seeing as he has never fired a shot at a single person.......then how dangerous are the two FBI agents that shot at people and didn't have the good sense to report it.
They should be buried UNDER the jail right?
Just keeping a bit of perrrrspective is all.
Oh wait, my bad. He's just another Idontknowwhykmaretaddrepublicunt, peddling a weak ass straw man argument. What a blind follower.
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Mar 17, 2016 - 09:26pm PT
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Curious what you think of that last picture posted jonnyrig?
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Mar 17, 2016 - 09:37pm PT
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Excuse me for saying that that's a dumb mutherfu&&er right there....
Well, I don't think he's on the job market.
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jonnyrig
climber
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Mar 17, 2016 - 09:59pm PT
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My gut reaction is that anyone getting inked up in that manner is a f*#king idiot.
The next thing that happens is that I wonder why, in the sense of what kind of f*#ked up life did they get stuck with and is there a way to reduce that kind of crap in future generations?
This is all based on a single picture, mind you. And I recently had a discussion with a coworker who voiced exactly such an opinion to me regarding a student in one of our classes who (less the face tats and white supremacy b.s.) was attending school to improve his life and employment. My coworker didn't bother to ask anything about the individual and made some disparaging remarks, which I rebutted.
Seriously though, some people exhibit poor judgement.
I took the two quotes out of context and applied them in a much broader sense to a lot of what's happening these days. I suspect the Malheur incident is symptomatic of a larger problem. See "Trump" and "Hillary" for confirmation.
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Mar 18, 2016 - 01:33am PT
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Wow. Those were almost exactly my thoughts. I mean, I sort of instinctively blurt out something more base than that, but on another level I know there's more to it.
A friend of mine in high school had an incredibly f*#ked up home life. He basically had to throw down with his old man to get through the day. People wondered why he was so angry all the time. But down underneath, he was a really sweet guy. Never saw him get evil tats on his face though...
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Escopeta
Trad climber
Idaho
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Mar 18, 2016 - 05:43am PT
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I think you guys should have them over for Sunday dinner. Maybe go round up Bundy's cows and have a feast in their honor.
If we would have just spent a little more money on their neighborhoods during the formative years it would have made a difference.
I wonder how many of those types were thrown in jail for a victim-less crime or some stupid 3 strikes law.
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jonnyrig
climber
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Mar 18, 2016 - 06:08am PT
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Are you (Escopeta) saying there's no value in analysis of why people turn to things like drugs and crime? 'Cause like I TOTALLY understand the impetus to shoot first and talk sh#t later. If I go round up any of Bundy's cows there'll be a feast for sure. Hell, I'd go so far as invite y'all, if'n I stole other people's sh#t. But wait... I pay my taxes and such, so...
Most of us are guilty of making assumptions based on appearance. Face it: when you're walking down the street, that's all ya got. So to those who say "don't stereotype me man" I say: Don't act like a f*#kin stereotype. 'Cause most of us are guilty of that too.
I'm getting the chance these days to meet people I would normally not associate with, and it challenges my personal stereotypical assumptions a little more than what I would otherwise allow myself to be exposed. That doesn't mean I'm inviting them over for dinner; but it does make me think a little. The question of whether action and intervention during the formative years of any particular individual would have precluded a disfavorable outcome in their later years is not one that is easily answered. There are so many factors that influence the paths people take in life that it's difficult to say just what could have made a difference. Although, it's probably true that some people are just born to believe that snarky trash talk is the solution to winning the hearts and minds of braindead followers. I guess if we can accept that some people are just born gay, we can also accept that some people are just born evil. Or stupid.
But now I've rambled too far. The insensibility of my disgust with the world is beginning to leak from my fingertips like blood from a fingernail that's recently had a bad tryst with a hammer. So I shall depart.
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