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bookworm
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Jan 10, 2011 - 07:07am PT
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fortunately, no politican has ever used an ad that put somebody's actual face in crosshairs...doh!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XqB4tyvxWKA
yep, that's an ad for a DEMOCRAT with his republican rival in the crosshairs
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Jingy
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Jan 10, 2011 - 10:58am PT
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"Why are those Republicans so wrong on everything"
Because they are a bunch of right wing wack jobs who don't know how to make America a better place, they do know how to make America more oppressive, hateful, and reactionary.
Because they are a bunch of f*#k-tards
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TGT
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So Cal
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Jan 10, 2011 - 11:00am PT
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YEAH!
And John Lennon's lyrics were responsable for Charlie Mansons rampage.
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bookworm
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Falls Church, VA
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Jan 10, 2011 - 11:09am PT
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a tale of two nyt:
November 7, 2009
Editorial
The Horror at Fort Hood
It is always a shock — and a cause for deep sadness — when a gunman fires malevolently at crowds of innocent people. We have seen it far too often: at Columbine High School in Colorado a decade ago; on the campus of Virginia Tech two years ago; at a center for immigrants in upstate New York in April; and in downtown Orlando, Fla., where a gunman shot and killed one person and wounded five others on Friday.
Still, this week’s rampage at the sprawling Fort Hood Army base in central Texas seems especially shocking.
On Thursday, an Army psychiatrist, clad in a military uniform, allegedly sprayed bullets inside a medical building, killing 13 people and wounding at least 30. The suspected gunman, Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan, has counseled scores of soldiers suffering post-traumatic stress disorder after serving in Iraq or Afghanistan. His victims on Thursday were men and women who were preparing to deploy to the battle zones or had returned from there.
Even more shocking, they were attacked on a heavily guarded military installation within the United States where they surely must have felt secure.
In the aftermath of this unforgivable attack, it will be important to avoid drawing prejudicial conclusions from the fact that Major Hasan is an American Muslim whose parents came from the Middle East.
President Obama was right when he told Americans, “we don’t know all the answers yet” and cautioned everyone against “jumping to conclusions.”
Unverified reports, some from his family members, suggest that Major Hasan complained of harassment by fellow soldiers for being a Muslim, that he hoped to get out of a deployment to Afghanistan, that he sought a discharge from the Army and that he opposed the American military involvement in Iraq and Afghanistan. There were reports that some soldiers said they had heard him shout “God is Great” in Arabic before he started firing. But until investigations are complete, no one can begin to imagine what could possibly have motivated this latest appalling rampage.
There may never be an explanation. And, certainly, there can never be a justification.
For now, all that can be said is that our hearts go out to the families of the 12 soldiers and one civilian killed. And we are hoping for the fast recovery of all those who were wounded, including Kimberly Munley, a civilian police officer stationed at the base, who shot Major Hasan and ended the killing.
In a place of courage, she showed extraordinary courage.
and then...
January 9, 2011
Bloodshed and Invective in Arizona
She read the First Amendment on the House floor — including the guarantee of “the right of the people peaceably to assemble” — and then flew home to Arizona to put those words into practice. But when Gabrielle Giffords tried to meet with her constituents in a Tucson parking lot on Saturday, she came face to face with an environment wholly at odds with that constitutional ideal, and she nearly paid for it with her life.
Jared Loughner, the man accused of shooting Ms. Giffords, killing a federal judge and five other people, and wounding 13 others, appears to be mentally ill. His paranoid Internet ravings about government mind control place him well beyond usual ideological categories.
But he is very much a part of a widespread squall of fear, anger and intolerance that has produced violent threats against scores of politicians and infected the political mainstream with violent imagery. With easy and legal access to semiautomatic weapons like the one used in the parking lot, those already teetering on the edge of sanity can turn a threat into a nightmare.
Last spring, Capitol security officials said threats against members of Congress had tripled over the previous year, almost all from opponents of health care reform. An effigy of Representative Frank Kratovil Jr., a Maryland Democrat, was hung from a gallows outside his district office. Ms. Giffords’s district office door was smashed after the health vote, possibly by a bullet.
The federal judge who was killed, John Roll, had received hundreds of menacing phone calls and death threats, especially after he allowed a case to proceed against a rancher accused of assaulting 16 Mexicans as they tried to cross his land. This rage, stirred by talk-radio hosts, required marshals to give the judge and his family 24-hour protection for a month. Around the nation, threats to federal judges have soared for a decade.
It is facile and mistaken to attribute this particular madman’s act directly to Republicans or Tea Party members. But it is legitimate to hold Republicans and particularly their most virulent supporters in the media responsible for the gale of anger that has produced the vast majority of these threats, setting the nation on edge. Many on the right have exploited the arguments of division, reaping political power by demonizing immigrants, or welfare recipients, or bureaucrats. They seem to have persuaded many Americans that the government is not just misguided, but the enemy of the people.
That whirlwind has touched down most forcefully in Arizona, which Pima County Sheriff Clarence Dupnik described after the shooting as the capital of “the anger, the hatred and the bigotry that goes on in this country.” Anti-immigrant sentiment in the state, firmly opposed by Ms. Giffords, has reached the point where Latino studies programs that advocate ethnic solidarity have actually been made illegal.
Its gun laws are among the most lenient, allowing even a disturbed man like Mr. Loughner to buy a pistol and carry it concealed without a special permit. That was before the Tucson rampage. Now, having seen first hand the horror of political violence, Arizona should lead the nation in quieting the voices of intolerance, demanding an end to the temptations of bloodshed, and imposing sensible controls on its instruments.
referring to me, hedge? read more closely or, perhaps, you don't understand sarcasm (although i thought it obvious that an essay that decries casting blame in the aftermath of an atrocity would make the sarcasm of my apparent casting blame in the aftermath of an atrocity clear for all)
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philo
Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
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Jan 10, 2011 - 11:27am PT
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Yargle Bargle.
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philo
Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
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Jan 10, 2011 - 11:37am PT
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How would Sarah appreciate a wide scale poster distribution of her face with cross hairs (oops I mean surveyors mark) printed on it?
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edejom
Boulder climber
Butte, America
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Jan 10, 2011 - 11:57am PT
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bookworm
Social climber
Falls Church, VA
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Jan 10, 2011 - 11:58am PT
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"When Muslim terrorists start running for elected office then your idiotic attempts at false equivalency might make sense."
jhedge, what are talking about? what "false equivalency" do you accuse me of making?
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dirtbag
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Jan 10, 2011 - 12:12pm PT
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Let's put aside the question of what motivated the shooter.
At this point, it seems he was pretty insane. I haven't seen much evidence to suggest that he had any political agenda that could be articulated. He probably just as easily could have shot a republican.
But even if he didn't have one, so what? Does that make the hatred promoted by Savage, Palin, Beck etc. any less irresponsible?
No, it doesn't.
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dirtbag
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Jan 10, 2011 - 12:20pm PT
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From what I've read, and looking beyong his political party registration, his beliefs were all over the place, out there in conspiracy nutter territory. He was probalby closer to klimmer than Boehner.
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dirtbag
climber
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Jan 10, 2011 - 12:21pm PT
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Palin and Beck know they're playing with fire, and if anyone carries out the evil rhetoric they incessantly harp, they can just plead insanity on the part of the shooter- just like the right is trying to do now.
Agreed to a point, but we don't know what role (if any) the right wing mouthpieces played in this. This guy was pretty far gone anyway.
But nonetheless, my point is, the mouthpieces are still playing with fire.
And I do not believe the "Dems do it too" holds any water. While folks can find fringe liberals who said incendiary things, they do not compare to savage, beck, limbaugh or a VP nominee Palin--all are media/political giants. Sorry conservatives, you cannot honestly play the "Dems do it too!" card here.
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dirtbag
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Jan 10, 2011 - 12:24pm PT
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Dr. F., I'm not so sure it is really that easy to nail down any sort of left/right leanings on the guy.
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bookworm
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Falls Church, VA
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Jan 10, 2011 - 12:30pm PT
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"Not that I expect any rational reply from an anonymous poster, but what point were you trying to make with the "tale of 2 nyt's" cut-and-paste nonsense?"
the point is, jhedge, after the ft hood shooting, nyt was quick to assert that we shouldn't jump to conclusions about hasan's motivation; that we shouldn't assume his name, skin, color, or religion was any factor in his murderous rampage; even after evidence showed that hasan was in contact with and seeking guidance from a virulent anti-american imam, nyt refused to suggest that hasan was religiously or politically motivated
but, now, nyt feels no qualms about laying the blame on republican rhetoric: "But it is legitimate to hold Republicans and particularly their most virulent supporters in the media responsible for the gale of anger that has produced the vast majority of these threats, setting the nation on edge. Many on the right have exploited the arguments of division, reaping political power by demonizing immigrants, or welfare recipients, or bureaucrats. They seem to have persuaded many Americans that the government is not just misguided, but the enemy of the people."
let's see...who was is that referred to political opponents as "enemies"?
http://www.thenewamerican.com/index.php/usnews/politics/4993-obama-calls-his-critics-qenemiesq
in other words, the editorial board at nyt are a bunch of hypocrites
yes, f, giffords is jewish and supports the 2nd amendment and opposes illegal immigration
"Does that make the hatred promoted by Savage, Palin, Beck etc. any less irresponsible?"
dirt, where is your condemnation of the libs who use the same vitriol?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XqB4tyvxWKA
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dirtbag
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Jan 10, 2011 - 12:34pm PT
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Dirt, have you been asleep all weekend
He has admitted he is right winger
and did it to save America from the left wing Jews trying to take over
I haven't seen anything that says that he is a right winger or that he listened regularly to right wing media.
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dirtbag
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Jan 10, 2011 - 12:40pm PT
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This morning I read the NY Times, Slate, CNN and a few other sources. Nothing said he was a fringe teabagger or anything of the sort. It wouldn't surprise me he hates Jews. But from what I've read the guy couldn't even carry on a conversation, or at least say much without scaring people. Nothing said he listened to Beck or saw Palin's website.
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bookworm
Social climber
Falls Church, VA
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Jan 10, 2011 - 12:45pm PT
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"to the landfills full of crap the right wingers produce every day
and I condemn it"
educate us, f, give us the links, the quotes, the video
i've given you proof of a dem candidate using a tv ad that put his repub opponent in a gun's crosshairs...i haven't seen any repub ads that put anyone's face in the crosshairs
i have barry calling repubs "enemies" and declaring that they should be "punished"...show me the same from repubs
and i haven't heard anyone condemn giffords specifically; in fact, she is quite popular with repubs in and out of az; she is a moderate dem who agrees with repubs on gun ownership and illegal immigration
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Jan 10, 2011 - 12:47pm PT
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Actually, Dirt, we do have some fairly good preliminary evidence that
he identified with right wing ideology such as Jew hating and upholding
the supremacy of the white race, along with the standard anti government lore
According to a law enforcement memo based on information provided by DHS and obtained by Fox News, Jared Loughner, the alleged shooter of Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords, may have been influenced by a pro-white racist organization that publishes an anti-immigration newsletter.
No direct connection, but strong suspicion is being directed at American Renaissance, an organization that Loughner mentioned in some of his Internet postings and federal law enforcement officials are investigating Loughner's possible links to the organization.
American Renaissance releases a monthly publication that promotes a variety of white racial positions. The group's ideology is anti government, anti immigration, anti ZOG (Zionist Occupational Government), and anti Semitic, according to the memo which goes on to point out that Congressman Giffords is the first Jewish female elected to high office in Arizona.
Continue reading on Examiner.com: DHS links Arizona shooter Loughner with white supremacist American Renaissance - National Democrat | Examiner.com http://www.examiner.com/democrat-in-national/dhs-links-arizona-shooter-loughner-with-white-supremacist-american-renaissance#ixzz1Aeeq2xan
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dirtbag
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Jan 10, 2011 - 12:54pm PT
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Thanks Norton, he was also a 9/11 truther too. He's all over the place, which doesn't fit into left/right very well.
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