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nah000
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now/here
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Aug 28, 2017 - 06:29pm PT
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Norton wrote : "BERNIE SANDERS VOTERS HELPED TRUMP WIN AND HERE'S PROOF"
uhhh... as has been the case in the past: not so fast with your click bait based left wing fake news...
and i don't even have to do any research as the data is right in the article itself.
because here's the thing:
bernie appealed to a range of political spectrum, that in many instances would have never voted for any establishment democrat candidate and more importantly he brought a lot of people to the voting booth who would likely not have voted at all.
AND THE PROOF IS RIGHT IN THE ARTICLE WITH THE CLICK-BAIT TITLE:
based on the article itself:
 bernie voters who voted for trump: 12%
bernie voters who voted for clinton: ~76%
bernie voters who did not vote or voted for a candidate other than trump or clinton: ~ 12%
but also from the article:
about ~55% of bernie/trump voters did not consider themselves in any way shape or form democrats
and ~6% of bernie/clinton voters did not consider themselves in any way shape or form democrats
and in aggregate ~37% of bernie/other+noone voters did not consider themselves in any way shape or form democrats
combine the two together and you get:
0.55*12% + 0.06*76% + 0.37*12% = 6.6% + 4.6% + 4.4% = 15.6%
yes, you are reading that correctly: ~16% of the people who voted for bernie were not in any way shape or form democrats.
and now you're pissing on them because some of them didn't vote for hilllary?
are some of you seriously for reals?
every second you establishment apologizing dems make russian/bernie/millenial/comey excuses for the little blue engine that couldn't because they thought they were owed something and so tried to run a soulless, uncreative and "by the book" campaign... is another second you contribute to another fUcktard being in office.
while, given what she's said in the past, tulsi gabbard would likely come down with a strangely debilitating illness or a case of the missing brakes or an extra orifice in her head if she posed an actual threat... that a good chunk of you who voted for clinton and lost are still stuck in the past, instead of looking to the future [whether tulsi or other], is the biggest mistake i made in my understanding/expectations of what was likely going to happen.
oh well, i guess it's going to take the dying off of another generation or half before maybe real change can come to the plate.
until then, enjoy the wheezing, the excuses, and the projections of, at least for the forseeable future, a dying empire based on a misguided ideology [that both establishment democrats and establishment republicans have foisted onto the world regardless of their domestic policy differences].
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
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Aug 28, 2017 - 06:29pm PT
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I'm totally and completely ashamed...As my punishment i choose Tulsi Gabbard to interogate me...
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ontheedgeandscaredtodeath
Social climber
Wilds of New Mexico
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Aug 28, 2017 - 07:14pm PT
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The fact that Trump was even contemplated as a candidate for president means the U.S. is pretty much done. There is no bridging the divide between someone who voted for Trump and those who didn't, and nor should there be. In a couple of generations we'll be splintered into blue city states and red rural wastelands.
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Aug 28, 2017 - 07:38pm PT
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The US is in Syria illegally and has been for years supporting the overthrowing of a democratically elected govt. and ruining their country causing untold civilian humanitarian crisis and deaths.
May be time to fire these dudes, eh?
Any Sandanistas available?
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
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Aug 28, 2017 - 07:46pm PT
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Good point oh the edge...Trump shows leadership and Hillary didn't... she should have kicked Trump in the nuts when he was stalking her at the debates...
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WBraun
climber
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Aug 28, 2017 - 08:39pm PT
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Don't even bother with Ken M.
90% of the time he's off his meds .....
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fear
Ice climber
hartford, ct
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Aug 29, 2017 - 05:56am PT
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The US is in Syria illegally and has been for years supporting the overthrowing of a democratically elected govt. and ruining their country causing untold civilian humanitarian crisis and deaths.
You people should be ashamed.
But you are not.
You just babble endlessly about two stoopid fools Trump and Hillary.
But Russia Russia Russia!... but but Bernie... but but...
It is amusing.
If Trump's latest bomb-Afghanistan speech (first pure teleprompter btw) didn't convince everyone who is really in control then you're not paying attention.
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Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
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Aug 29, 2017 - 08:03am PT
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hey fear
since you're the only one that seems to know who's in charge
maybe you can enlighten the rest of us
my Goggle machine says it's the right wing fascist billionaires, but you imply it's some magical illuminati that wants war
maybe some links would help us normal folk understand this conspiracy of yours
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c wilmot
climber
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Aug 29, 2017 - 08:07am PT
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The bilderberg conference attendees would be a good start...
As would realizing our media is a propaganda machine...
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fear
Ice climber
hartford, ct
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Aug 29, 2017 - 08:49am PT
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hey fear
since you're the only one that seems to know who's in charge
maybe you can enlighten the rest of us
my Goggle machine says it's the right wing fascist billionaires, but you imply it's some magical illuminati that wants war
maybe some links would help us normal folk understand this conspiracy of yours
Who benefits from these endless wars Craig? There's your answer. It's not the puppets everyone focuses on.
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Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
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Aug 29, 2017 - 08:51am PT
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The media and some contractors
so what,
only the media has any control and they are owned by right wing billionaires
so it comes back to right wing billionaires, as I said
and they control the Republican Party
the endless war is just another right wing control measure
You want to know more, read "Dark Money"
It spells it all out with researched facts
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Aug 29, 2017 - 08:54am PT
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“We have a lot of blonde women in Finland.”
... Trump, miffed about the optics of empty seats in the Phoenix Convention Center, “later had his top security aide, Keith Schiller, inform Gigicos that he'd never manage a Trump rally again, according to three people familiar with the matter.”...
I used to live in Berkeley, reporters never got the stories right.
About twenty-five self-styled anarchists in black showed up at the shindig, out of how many?
How many arrests in Charlottesville? How many at Berkeley?
Bearing in mind, what we know about reporting
Berkeley = 13
Charlottesville = Police in Charlottesville arrested almost as many drunk people as violent white supremacists
Following news reports of a few additional arrests, Dickler told ThinkProgress on Wednesday that she could now confirm eight total arrests related to the rally. The initial number, she explained, was not comprehensive because Charlottesville and the surrounding county has city, county, university, and state police all patrolling a relatively small area. She did not know when a final number would be available.
[Click to View YouTube Video]
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paganmonkeyboy
climber
mars...it's near nevada...
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Aug 29, 2017 - 08:58am PT
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Pretty sure we are still allowed to punch Nazis, right ? Like the whole world took a stance on them at some point in the recent past ??
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WBraun
climber
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Aug 29, 2017 - 09:06am PT
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Pretty sure we are still allowed to punch Nazis, right ?
I thought with the "Politically Correct" consciousness that's been hammered down on Americans throats that all you can do now is to
drool and sling sentences that will not be censored by the "Politically Correct" consciousness Nazis ..... :-)
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paganmonkeyboy
climber
mars...it's near nevada...
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Aug 29, 2017 - 09:06am PT
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Nope. But if I see someone with a swastika on I usually will ask them if they are a Nazi...
You defending them I take it ? Nazis ? OK with them ?
Personally they can march all they want in my book, until they bring weapons and try intimidation tactics. And I'd just follow them with a tuba and make fun of their small minded scared selves...
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fear
Ice climber
hartford, ct
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Aug 29, 2017 - 09:06am PT
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the endless war is just another right wing control measure
Craig... free your mind.... the left/right thing is nonsense.
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WBraun
climber
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Aug 29, 2017 - 09:10am PT
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DMT is NO Nazi ever and never was nor ever will be ......
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Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
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Aug 29, 2017 - 09:10am PT
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Gary
Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Aug 29, 2017 - 09:11am PT
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Pretty sure we are still allowed to punch Nazis, right ?
Seems like our fathers, grandfathers, uncles and granduncles were the OG antifa. They did more than punch them.
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paganmonkeyboy
climber
mars...it's near nevada...
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Aug 29, 2017 - 09:18am PT
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They have the right to assemble PEACEFULY, and deal with the people that should also PEACEFULLY protest/argue with them.
NEITHER side is allowed to START violence. It looks like the Charlestown Right crowd was planning just that, based on the data they are getting...and they brought a f*#king MILITIA...
NO. NO NO NO.
Violence just begets more violence, eye for an eye everybody blind etc...but only a fool turns their back on a toddler with a gun...
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