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Escopeta
Trad climber
Idaho
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Mar 16, 2016 - 07:44pm PT
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They look vicious. Real assault rifle material for sure. I wouldn't get too close to them if I were you.
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the Fet
climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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Mar 16, 2016 - 07:44pm PT
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I saw this video in my facebook feed.
It's surprising how many people think he was murdered. Look at the comments in youtube. This country has way too many delusional folks.
He tells federal agents and state police "you back down or you kill me now! Go ahead put your bullet through me" Then he takes off at high speed disobeying armed agents. Jumps out of his car starts running around (instead of putting his hands up or better yet lying face down like every frickin arrest video where the think the suspect is armed) and they are telling him get on the ground, but instead he keeps yelling "go ahead and shoot me!" reaches for his waistband and get's shot. If I was a cop knowing they were armed and defiant, ready to die, disobeying lawful orders, yelling go ahead and shoot me, and seeing him reaching for his waistband I'd shoot him too before I got shot.
He cranks up the tunes for a little while in the middle of it? Dude was acting really strange.
The people in the car and the comments about the agents shooting the people in the car are ridiculous. If they wanted to kill the people in the car they would have. Only the guy that looked like he was reaching for a gun and disobeying orders was shot.
Of course if it was a black man in this situation the same people would probably say he deserved it. He brought it on himself. But because he was a right winger he's justified in telling the feds and staties what THEY have to do and he doesn't have to obey them.
But I guess if you don't see that he was clearly reaching into his waistband just before he got shot you are capable of believing anything you need to tell yourself.
Edited to be more respectful of the dead. I don't have much sympathy for the guy and think he chose suicide by cop, but he still was killed.
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Fritz
Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Mar 16, 2016 - 07:47pm PT
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Per Jon Beck's link: on the crazed western Republicans that supported the Malheur CowQuida occupiers.
http://www.opb.org/news/series/burns-oregon-standoff-bundy-militia-news-updates/republican-gop-politicians-coalition-western-states/
The explicit purpose of the Coalition of Western States (COWS), according to the group’s website, is to “restore management of public lands to the States where it Constitutionally belongs.” While the organization claims to have more than “50 legislators and grass roots leaders predominately in the Western United States,” leaders would not release a roster of members, meeting agendas, meeting notes or tax filing status.
Several COWS members took an active role in Bunkerville, and beyond.
Authorities Investigate Threats Against Wa. Rep. Matt Shea
Fiore and other COWS members became darlings of right-wing paramilitary groups skeptical and even hostile to the federal government, including the Oathkeepers. By the end of 2014, Fiore, Shea and other coalition participants had sponsored bills that would transfer federal land back to local governments in six states.
All the bills failed, and as time put more distance between the public’s memory and the Bundy standoff, COWS went from a political stampede to an afterthought.
“We all kind of fell out of touch until things started heating up again in Oregon,” Corbell said. “That’s when I started getting calls.”
Corbell told OPB that coalition leadership knew Ammon Bundy planned to take over U.S. government property in Harney County before it happened, but were unsure which federal outpost it would be. The federal government owns about 75 percent of the land in Harney County.
“We knew he was going to do something,” Corbell said, “because something had to be done.”
Just part of a long & interesting article about wacky folks trying to grab OUR lands from US.
It does appear they have won the equally wacky Utah legislature.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/11/us/the-larger-but-quieter-than-bundy-push-to-take-over-federal-land.html?_r=0
The Larger, but Quieter Than Bundy, Push to Take Over Federal Land
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Mar 16, 2016 - 09:36pm PT
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Jim, they're viscous because it's really hot outside.
Duh.
Good ol' Escargot Ron Fattrad Rokjox Leb.
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Escopeta
Trad climber
Idaho
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Mar 17, 2016 - 06:02am PT
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Fixed it. Nice to see you guys are, in fact, hanging on every word. Cool.
Sure haven't heard much about the FBI boys that sent rounds down range and then forgot about it.
And these are the people we are supposed to believe when they tell us how something went down?
Here is a DIRECT QUOTE from the FBI Press conference held after shooting. Funny how there was no mention of the shots fired by the FBI guys.
"Thirdly, we know there is quite a bit of interest related to the events as they occurred on Highway 395 on Tuesday afternoon. We know there are various versions of what occurred during this event: most inaccurate, some inflammatory. To that end, we want to do what we can to lay out an honest and unfiltered view of what happened and how it happened."
Tell me anther whopper government man.....
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Mar 17, 2016 - 06:58am PT
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I trust the FBI a hell of a lot more than I do the Mormon insurrectionist militia or any other right wing militia, lets put it that way mmmkay?
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overwatch
climber
Arizona
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Mar 17, 2016 - 07:03am PT
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ROTFLMAO
While you are down there...
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fear
Ice climber
hartford, ct
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Mar 17, 2016 - 07:36am PT
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This is the guy that got shot in the snow after trying to run the barricade and then charging out of the truck right?
Unless that video shot by the drone is somehow faked I can't see how the shooting was anything other than what was clearly seen.
There are lots of recent LEO videos of outright murder. This sure seems like a legit shooting to me. He had clearly stated he wasn't going to jail. I kinda felt sorry for him but in that final chase he really didn't leave them any choice.
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Escopeta
Trad climber
Idaho
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Mar 17, 2016 - 08:03am PT
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There are lots of recent LEO videos of outright murder. This sure seems like a legit shooting to me. He had clearly stated he wasn't going to jail. I kinda felt sorry for him but in that final chase he really didn't leave them any choice.
Agree. But at what point did the FBI agents start firing on the vehicle? And why should we be inspired to believe ANYTHING they tell us since its patently obvious they lied?
I certainly have no reason to question the validity of the video, but if they are willing cover up two shots fired from a service weapon, what else are they willing to cover up?
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Escopeta
Trad climber
Idaho
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Mar 17, 2016 - 08:04am PT
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While you are down there...
I had a moment of auditory exclusion there, what did you say? Lol.
The lengths some people will go to rationalize anything is amazing.
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Mar 17, 2016 - 08:09am PT
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TRDF.
Let's take one more look at who escargot and overbite put their faith in.
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overwatch
climber
Arizona
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Mar 17, 2016 - 08:18am PT
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Not rationalizing anything just saying there are many documented cases of auditory exclusion, not hearing the shots, and the clutch response where the hands involuntarily grip, in deadly force encounters.
Good come back on the "while you are down there"
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Escopeta
Trad climber
Idaho
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Mar 17, 2016 - 08:22am PT
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Maybe they will come up with a new Auditory Exclusion theory and this will be the first documented case of this new circumstance.
A group auditory exclusion. 15-20 people having a simultaneous auditory exclusion.
Its kind of like a circle jerk, but different.
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overwatch
climber
Arizona
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Mar 17, 2016 - 08:25am PT
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Let's take one more look at who escargot and overbite put their faith in.
Weak on the overbite and you couldn't possibly misread me any more, those militia guys are some of the biggest soup sandwiches I have seen in awhile. I don't usually watch many of the OT videos posted, especially on this thread so not sure of your point with the vid because I have not posted anything to lead anyone to believe that I support the 'militia'
vvvvvvv And many cops are a close second
just noticed the overslept... that's not bad, but I only wish that I could. if anything my issue is getting enough sleep
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Escopeta
Trad climber
Idaho
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Mar 17, 2016 - 08:26am PT
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While we are searching youtube for nostalgia, let's look at the peeps Survival and Overslept put their faith into.
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Mar 17, 2016 - 08:30am PT
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Overwatch, My apologies if I misread you. When people don't actually explain what they're talking about, it can happen. Somehow I thought your "while you're down there" was directed at me.
Escargot and his hate for the government was my main focus.
Edit: escargot, there are plenty of examples of the feds being out of line, but this thread is about the Bundy insurrection, and men like Sean Anderson, your hero.
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overwatch
climber
Arizona
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Mar 17, 2016 - 08:34am PT
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Overwatch, My apologies if I misread you. When people don't actually explain what they're talking about, it can happen. Somehow I thought your "while you're down there" was directed at me.
I try to make clear posts I thought it was obvious it was towards Eggospitter. No big deal, was just joking and smoking anyway. Actually overbite isn't that weak I have been trying come up with one for myself. I could start a thread, "Shitname for Overwatch" Overcrotch? Overarch? Overreach? Overload? I think DMT came up with Overlord
vvvvvvv I think that you are right it even rhymes.
Edited to add Overslept from Egosweater
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Mar 17, 2016 - 08:44am PT
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Well, for what it's worth Overcrotch is the one that got me laughing!
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SteveW
Trad climber
The state of confusion
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Mar 17, 2016 - 02:01pm PT
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More knews today from Reuters!!!
March 17 (Reuters) - A federal judge in Nevada refused rancher Cliven Bundy's latest request on Thursday to be freed from jail ahead of his trial on conspiracy and other felony charges for his role in a 2014 armed standoff with federal agents, a spokeswoman for prosecutors said.
U.S. Magistrate Judge Carl Hoffman Jr. ruled at a hearing in Las Vegas that Bundy, 69, posed a danger to the public if released, U.S. Attorney spokeswoman Natalie Collins said in an email statement.
Bundy has been jailed since his arrest on Feb. 10 at the Portland International Airport after arriving there on his way to show support for anti-government militants who had taken over the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge in eastern Oregon.
He and two of his sons, Ammon and Ryan, who were indicted in connection with leading the Oregon occupation and also face charges with their father in the Nevada standoff, have become popular figures for groups challenging federal control over vast stretches of public land in the West.
Prosecutors have said the elder Bundy trespassed on federal lands for over 20 years, refusing to secure the necessary permits or pay the required fees the government charges ranchers to let their cattle graze on U.S.-owned public property.
In an enforcement action nearly two years ago, the U.S. Bureau of Land Management sent armed rangers to Bundy's ranch about 80 miles (129 km) northeast of Las Vegas to confiscate his cattle.
Anti-government groups and other supporters rallied to Bundy's defense. In an armed standoff on April 12, 2014, along Interstate 15, they confronted federal agents, who ultimately backed down and returned the cattle they had seized.
The case against Bundy stems from that clash. He was indicted on charges of conspiracy, assault on a law enforcement officer, carrying a firearm in a crime of violence, obstruction of justice, interference with commerce by extortion and aiding and abetting others in breaking the law.
Defense lawyers in court papers filed on Wednesday sought his pre-trial release, arguing Bundy is peaceable and not a flight risk. But the judge denied their request.
A federal judge in Oregon last month, before Bundy was transferred back to Nevada, ordered him to remain in custody, finding the rancher, who at times has traveled with armed guards, was a flight risk and posed a threat.
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Escopeta
Trad climber
Idaho
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Mar 17, 2016 - 02:41pm PT
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IF that old man is dangerous to himself or others, seeing as he has never fired a shot at a single person.......then how dangerous are the two FBI agents that shot at people and didn't have the good sense to report it.
They should be buried UNDER the jail right?
Just keeping a bit of perrrrspective is all.
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