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H

Mountain climber
there and back again
Mar 17, 2016 - 11:23pm PT
I have never donated to any campaign. And as a cheap bastard that I am, I still sent Bernie $50.

He is the best chance we have of getting us out of this sh#t we have been floundering in. I hope you all do the same. Then lets see what happens.
tuolumne_tradster

Trad climber
Leading Edge of North American Plate
Mar 19, 2016 - 09:03pm PT
Thanks for posting that video MisterE

the dude with the black hat playing the acoustic guitar can play
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Mar 19, 2016 - 09:06pm PT
wilbeer: Sorry, bro. Your boy Sanders is more than happy to use Superdelegates to swing it for him


http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/sanders-surprises-controversial-superdelegate-strategy

On the show last night, Rachel asked the senator himself about the possibility. Initially, Sanders responded by talking about his optimism regarding upcoming contests and some national polling, but he didn’t answer the question directly.

So, Rachel asked again whether he might try to convince superdelegates to side with him, even if he’s behind in pledged delegates. Sanders said he and his campaign are “going to do the best we can in any and every way to win,” but he still avoided comment on the specific approach he’s prepared to take.

So, Rachel asked again. For those who missed it, this was the exchange that stood out.
MADDOW: I’m just going to push you and ask you one more time. I’ll actually ask you from the other direction. If one of you – presumably, there won’t be a tie – one of you presumably will be behind in pledged delegates heading into that convention. Should the person who is behind in pledged delegates concede to the person who is ahead in pledged delegates in Philadelphia?

SANDERS: Well, I – you know, I don’t want to speculate about the future and I think there are other factors involved. I think it is probably the case that the candidate who has the most pledged delegates is going to be the candidate, but there are other factors.
kattz

climber
Mar 19, 2016 - 09:10pm PT
It's time to arrest this SOB Sanders for treason or declare him mentally incompetent. It's also time to throw his violent thug supporters who disturb peace in jail (hopefully into the same cell as Bundy team)
He's running around defending ILLEGALS and is attacking Arizona sheriff over it? What an insult to all who'd earned US citizenship without breaking the law.
Who IS he to give away American land and wealth, things he did not earn but rather things his sorry entitled ass had inherited, to illegal intruders (raise taxes on middle class and pay to make everything free for the illegals!)? One could understand a rebellious and naive 18-year old supporting such views, but when the person is 70 y.o....it's the case of either dementia or intentional treason.
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Mar 19, 2016 - 09:21pm PT
Kattz- That was amazing. Never stop posting.


MisterE- Great video!
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Mar 20, 2016 - 10:24am PT
kattz: ...blatant violations of the constitution...

Right on! And so true - the last three republican administrations have been serial traitors.
Alexey

climber
San Jose, CA
Mar 20, 2016 - 12:48pm PT
It's time to arrest this SOB Sanders for treason or declare him mentally incompetent. It's also time to throw his violent thug supporters who disturb peace in jail (hopefully into the same cell as Bundy team)
He's running around defending ILLEGALS and is attacking Arizona sheriff over it? What an insult to all who'd earned US citizenship without breaking the law.
Who IS he to give away American land and wealth, things he did not earn but rather things his sorry entitled ass had inherited, to illegal intruders (raise taxes on middle class and pay to make everything free for the illegals!)? One could understand a rebellious and naive 18-year old supporting such views, but when the person is 70 y.o....it's the case of either dementia or intentional treason.
Katz,- Bernie winning the general election- is the only chance for you stay legal US citizen, and you looks "mentally incompetent" without understanding this simple thing. Any other candidate who come to White house this november will possibly check you Soviet background and find out that you serve for communists as Oktiabrenok, Pioneer , Komsomoletz or even the worse The Party Member. And since you hide those facts on your interview in American embassy ,- this in new circumstances after Nov2016 be considered as "intentional treason" and "insult to all of us who'd earned US citizenship without breaking the law" . They deport you back to "Gulag" and worse for you - you can not post anymore crap on ST from there because Putin's regime block this site as "Foreign Agent"
wilbeer

Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
Mar 20, 2016 - 06:50pm PT
Damn near incriminating jockey.

You should be proud.













35 K at Bernie's rally in Seattle tonight.


NutAgain!

Trad climber
South Pasadena, CA
Mar 20, 2016 - 07:34pm PT
35 K at Bernie's rally in Seattle tonight.

Wow!!! I doubt all those 35k are holding their hands out looking for a piece of your income. Probably would be a net surplus from that crowd to support many of those here who are posting against Bernie.

Edit: numbers I found were lower but amazing nevertheless:

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Seattle Center staff confirms attendance at #BernieinSeattle is 10,312 inside, 5,500 outside, another 1500 were outside but left.
6:40 PM - 20 Mar 2016
Escopeta

Trad climber
Idaho
Mar 20, 2016 - 07:45pm PT
Just saw a Bernie ad on the TV. First one I've seen. The entire thing was about how much stuff the government was going to provide to everyone. It sounded literally like an excerpt from "The Organization of Work". What an idiot.
couchmaster

climber
Mar 21, 2016 - 07:10am PT
Alexxy said, quote:
"Katz,- Bernie winning the general election- is the only chance for you stay legal US citizen, and you looks "mentally incompetent" without understanding this simple thing. Any other candidate who come to White house this november will possibly check you Soviet background and find out that you serve for communists as Oktiabrenok, Pioneer , Komsomoletz or even the worse The Party Member. And since you hide those facts on your interview in American embassy ,- this in new circumstances after Nov2016 be considered as "intentional treason" and "insult to all of us who'd earned US citizenship without breaking the law" . They deport you back to "Gulag" and worse for you - you can not post anymore crap on ST from there because Putin's regime block this site as "Foreign Agent" "

Alexxy, what evidence do you have, if any, for this charge? Where is this coming from?






PS, saw this and laughed, clever.
Escopeta

Trad climber
Idaho
Mar 21, 2016 - 08:13am PT
^^^ LOL
Larry Nelson

Social climber
Mar 21, 2016 - 08:16am PT
This is an idea I mentioned the other day on the Donald thread, about a minimum national income in the future.
I didn't know Finland was going to implement it this year!!
All political parties in Finland have bought into it.
All right Bernie, let's do it like the Scandinavians!!
Hell, the Finnish gov't is probably trying to legally control their immigration as well.
What a concept, personal responsibility!

This year, the Finnish government hopes to begin granting every adult citizen a monthly allowance of €800 (roughly $900). Whether rich or poor, each citizen will be free to use the money as he or she sees fit. The idea is that people are responsible for their actions. If someone decides to spend their €800 on vodka, that is their decision, and has nothing to do with the government. In return for the UBI, however, the public accepts the elimination of most welfare services.

http://www.city-journal.org/html/finnish-model-14302.html
pyro

Big Wall climber
Calabasas
Mar 21, 2016 - 08:24am PT
beware protesting at a TRUMP rally could get you in Prison

http://endingthefed.com/trump-attacker-just-received-very-bad-news.html
John M

climber
Mar 21, 2016 - 08:33am PT
http://www.businessinsider.com/what-americans-dont-understand-about-nordic-countries-2016-3

I posted this on the politard thread.

I thought it was worth reading. Try reading it to understand a different perspective. And yes.. I do understand that their military spending is much lower then ours, which means to maintain our military spending level, and having the things that they have, then we would have to tax more. I would like to see some sort of compromise. Less of some of the things that they have, and less military that we have, in order to have some of the things that they have.

but the point is to get something worthwhile from your taxes. I believe single payer healthcare would be very worthwhile. It would give more freedom to everyone. People wouldn't be tied to corporate jobs that have healthcare. And for those of you who are healthy and don't think that you need insurance, well, you are one climbing accident away from the poor house if you don't have insurance. And if you don't have the money to cover your care, then you will definitely get substandard care.

But please gentlemen. try to understand the perspective. After WW2 we became a great nation because we supported policies that helped everyone become equal. Such as affordable and decent education. We have let that slip over the last 30 years. We need to get back to it. And healthcare cost have gone through he roof. We need to do a better job of that. One way is to get the profits out of paying for healthcare by have single payer. We could do a supplemental system which gives more benefits to those who can pay. If you just can't stand to see that everyone gets top notch care. But there actually really is enough money for everyone to have top notch care. We would just have to cut back on being the worlds military enforcer/bully.

And maybe, just maybe.. try to see past the socialism/liberalism/conservativism labels. They don't serve us.
John M

climber
Mar 21, 2016 - 08:40am PT
Pyro.. there is a difference between protesting and charging the stage, which can be perceived and will be perceived as a threat by the secret service. Which is what happened in your case.

This is what happens to those who use physical violence against protesters.

https://www.yahoo.com/gma/man-charged-allegedly-punching-kicking-anti-trump-protester-195628612--abc-news-topstories.html

Escopeta

Trad climber
Idaho
Mar 21, 2016 - 08:56am PT
And maybe, just maybe.. try to see past the socialism/liberalism/conservativism labels. They don't serve us.

You mean they don't serve YOU. Because they get in the way of attempts to whitewash the reality of these programs.

skcreidc

Social climber
SD, CA
Mar 21, 2016 - 08:59am PT
Well, the Bern is coming to San Diego on Tuesday.

Tuesday, March 22
Doors open at 5:00 pm
San Diego Convention Center, Exhibition Halls D & E
111 W. Harbor Drive, San Diego CA
John M

climber
Mar 21, 2016 - 09:20am PT
Nope.. I mean us.. I have no desire to whitewash anything. I believe it is wisdom to see past specific words to see what people mean. When we resort to labels, then we aren't discovering meaning.

A good example for me was when I worked at Badger Pass. Most of the guys thought I was a "peacenik" because I didn't let people goad me into fights. But one day a man was abusing his kids and I stepped in to stop him. I tried to ease the situation, but the man became violent. I knocked him on his ass. Almost got fired for that. But because he laid hands on me first, and people witnessed it, I didn't. People had to redefine how they saw me. I don't believe that fighting is the first course of action. But I also won't be abused or allow people to abuse others.

I see the same thing in labels like "socialism, liberal or conservative" They can be abused and are often tossed out there to insult, rather then to understand.

So then everyone is on the defensive, rather then trying to understand another persons point of view. Its very difficult to find common ground when everyone is on the defensive.
Larry Nelson

Social climber
Mar 21, 2016 - 10:50am PT
John M posted
...try to see past the socialism/liberalism/conservatism labels. They don't serve us.

Excellent post John
Although I tend to agree with Escopeta on most of his posts, I appreciate your thoughtful inputs and perspective and I do agree with you on the above quote.
The world of the future is changing in ways that are hard to predict. The old paradigms will not serve.

See my earlier post on Finland and the national minimum wage and the elimination of the welfare state.
We'll see how that works out.

My knee jerk reaction is to not favor single payer health care because I think the costs will become way more than we anticipate, just like virtually every government program.
I understand the sentiments on taking profit out of healthcare, but I think healthy competition can reduce costs to the consumer. I admit I am not smart enough to know all about it, and that the issues of pre-existing conditions are problematic. Maybe we will go to single payer, but I do know that it has to change from what it is now.

I will repeat one comment I made the other day:
There is not such thing as a totalitarian that favors smaller government.
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