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HighDesertDJ
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Swimming in LEB tears.
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Ron said
I also do not like the trend of MEGA giants like walmart selling off the US to foreign powers for more dollars. It sickens me to see the integrity of the country and its founding guidelines be dragged through the mud-
So you hate capitalism and the free market. Good to know.
Immigration has always had its rules but they have been deteriorated to the point of being a sad joke. I see whole neighborhoods being turned into third world slums from a group of ILLEGAL immigrants who have NO DESIRE what-so-ever to become American.
I, too, miss the good ol' days when our slums were filled honest to goodness Americans. Oh no wait they were filled with Italians, Irish, Polish and Germans and our immigration policy actually allowed uneducated people to legally come into this country. Anyway, get to the back of the imaginary line you uneducated Mexicans who don't want to become Americans even though you say you do and apply for citizenship and are even willing to join our military and fight for our freedom while we sh#t on you!
Ecologists tend to sicken me as well as they spin every incident into some sort of drum beating cause and stifle actual improvements.
Yeah f*#k people who actually study things and know about them. I wish we had our brown air back and rivers that could actually catch fire. They were signs of prosperity and economic advance, not ecological disaster. Stupid ecologist drama queens.
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
Swimming in LEB tears.
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Ron said HD your just a whacko...spin spin spin. How old R U twenty?
no r u 12? lolololol
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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Dr. F., your comments today remind me of the Monty Python skit "Argument Clinic:"
"This isn't argument, it's merely contradiction."
"No it's not."
"Yes it is."
"No it's not."
etc.
"Libs are too PC"
"Libs aren't PC, Republicans are."
Etc.
Entertaining to watch, to a point.
John
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
Swimming in LEB tears.
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People will move to where the pay is better and there are more jobs (migration) and capital will move to where cheaper labor is. Those are just basic economic facts. Ron bemoaning the influx of immigrants looking for jobs and the outflow of capital looking for cheap labor is like crying about water flowing downhill. It has nothing to do with values and everything to do with forces of nature.
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jstan
climber
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Hypothesis:
Capitalists do not want competition (free market).
The first thing they try to do is put their competitors out of business.
Once a monopoly has been gained, prices can be set at a maximum.
Capitalists are in business for a profit. Duh.
Therefore, if we wish to have a free market, it cannot be under the control of capitalists.
For that is the fastest road to its destruction.
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
Swimming in LEB tears.
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Fatty said You sound like a Republican from 1965.
Fixed that for you, Fatty.
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
Swimming in LEB tears.
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Yes I can't believe you said 3 things and people picked one of them to talk about. The outrage, Ron!
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the Fet
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Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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Bush's 2009 budget was over 40% of GDP. Obama added less than 2% to it (stimulus etc.)
Obama's 2010 budget was under 44%. In the middle of the worst recession since the depression and with 2 wars going.
So I guess there is a magic number some where between 40% and 44% where you go from being a capitalist to being a socialist.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Fact checking first takes so little time
But not as much fun as believing what you want to regardless of the truth.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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We DEPORT caught illegals.
And NO illegals get ANY kind of welfare.
PERIOD.
Damn, Ron. Get your facts right FIRST.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Yes Ron, when they committ a high level crime here, we do incarcerate.
But your point of them causing great cost to us taxpayers does not compute.
We have two MILLION US citizens incarcerated.
And only some 50k Illegals incarcerated.
If you reallly want to save your tax dollars, better to be mad about US citizens committing crimes and not some illegals.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Jan 4, 2011 - 01:12pm PT
Yes Ron, when they committ a high level crime here, we do incarcerate.
But your point of them causing great cost to us taxpayers does not compute.
We have two MILLION US citizens incarcerated.
And only some 50k Illegals incarcerated.
If you reallly want to save your tax dollars, better to be mad about US citizens committing crimes and not some illegals.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Fatty is so stupid he has to copy others work and pretend it is his.
He is not capable of thinking for himself.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Fatty takes it up the a*#
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the Fet
climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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Ecologists tend to sicken me as well as they spin every incident into some sort of drum beating cause and stifle actual improvements.
LOL! The ignorance of the right wing is so entertaining. Look up the defintion of ecologist. The term you were looking for is tree hugger or radical environmentalist.
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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Hypothesis:
Capitalists do not want competition (free market).
The first thing they try to do is put their competitors out of business.
Once a monopoly has been gained, prices can be set at a maximum.
Capitalists are in business for a profit. Duh.
Therefore, if we wish to have a free market, it cannot be under the control of capitalists.
For that is the fastest road to its destruction.
Jstan,
Always delighted when you post. What you say is, in part, what Adam Smith said over 200 years ago. People who believe in capitalism have great mistrust of any alliance between business and government, because the result is usually to undo competitors.
Capitalism's benefits occur when businesses compete by offering a better combination of price, quality and information. Unfortunately, humans being humans, too many want to compete in other ways: by misinformation, litigation, and getting the government to regulate competitors.
Successful capitalism requires effective government to protect property rights and to enforce fair competition. Sad to say, too much of government enforcement these days is to protect competitors, not competition.
John
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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Dr. F,
Thank you. No one has ever called me politically correct before. Maybe upon reflection you'll agree that you can omit the "politically" from your description.
John
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Successful capitalism requires effective government to protect property rights and to enforce fair competition. Sad to say, too much of government enforcement these days is do to protect competitors, not competition.
+1
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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K-man,
You'd asked me yesterday to state specifically where I disagreed with Nader. I'm not sure if you meant what was attributed in the article, or generally.
To respond generally would require much time and space, so I will refrain unless you request otherwise. Let's just say that we disagree over the time value of money, the nature of what constitutes a market, tort law, the transparency and hypocrisy of his tactics, etc. Again, I will elaborate if you wish. My training and employment has been in economics and law for almost 40 years, so I can be as technical as you wish.
I can disagree with the thrust of the article much more succinctly, perhaps because I only took one poli sci class in college. The assertion that Democrats do better generally when they stay far to the left seems, to me, the mirror image of what the Tea Partiers say -- namely that Republicans need to be far to the right to win. Election results say otherwise.
Unless you are dealing in districts (often gerrymandered) with relatively homogeneous voters, such as San Francisco or the Republican districts in the San Joaquin Valley, the candidate who commands the center wins the election. It's the difference between George McGovern and Bill Clinton for the Democrats, or that between Barry Goldwater and Ronald Reagan for the Republicans.
Clinton and Reagan will always be odious to their partisan opponents, but they each had great appeal to independent voters. McGovern and Goldwater were good men, and able spokesmen for the more "pure" members of their parties, but had almost no support from independents. Ironically, I think partisan Democrats probably think much more highly of Goldwater than of Reagan, and partisan Republicans think much more highly of McGovern than of Clinton. Maybe it's because they think fondly of the landslide victories they won when the opposed McGovern and Goldwater.
John
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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On jobs flowing to the lowest labor cost, read The World is Flat.
It outlines how, and why, the job market is going world-wide.
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