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MH2
Boulder climber
Andy Cairns
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Apr 29, 2019 - 08:47am PT
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Doubling down with a broken-record response would seem to me to be a form of avoidance.
I am giving you my perspective, Mike. Your objection is not clear to me. Perhaps you can tell me what am I avoiding?
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WBraun
climber
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Apr 29, 2019 - 09:04am PT
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The gross materialist's models are always hardware and mental speculation only and are always missing the actual life force itself due to their cluelessness of life itself.
They study the machines and never see the operators.
The gross materialists are insane because their ultimate knowledge rests in the machine is the living entity.
When they look in the mirror they falsely identify their animated material body as themselves.
What can one expect from those who in their delusion claim they are ancestors from an ape ......
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Jan
Mountain climber
Colorado & Nepal
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Apr 29, 2019 - 09:31am PT
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Astounding. You would think they had seen their image numerous times in still water in lakes and ponds.
These were hill villages on the sides of steep mountains. Plenty of water flowing downhill quickly. Any ponds that formed in the monsoon were quickly muddied by livestock wading in them and children playing.
Great new design by the way. I like the combination of colors. Reminds me of Buddhist prayer flags.
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jogill
climber
Colorado
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Apr 29, 2019 - 01:01pm PT
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Here's a recent image that was smeared by ST when I uploaded it, so go to my site instead:
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L
climber
Just livin' the dream
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Apr 29, 2019 - 01:29pm PT
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That one ^^^^^ is spectacular!
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jogill
climber
Colorado
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Apr 29, 2019 - 02:43pm PT
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Thanks. The ST uploaded image was blurry. So annoying I can't hot link to my website for original imagery, etc.
Mike, how about some of your art work?
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Jan
Mountain climber
Colorado & Nepal
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Apr 30, 2019 - 05:46am PT
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Yes, that last one was spectacular ! Very luminous. It reminded me of icons that have backgrounds that are painted gold or light yellow first and then the image added later so they appear to be glowing from within.
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MikeL
Social climber
Southern Arizona
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Apr 30, 2019 - 06:31am PT
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jogill,
Here are some images of mild steel that I'm finishing for a project. Do you think they could be mathematically described? Do you see a pattern in any of them?
And yeah, the clarity of the images are not so very good. Nor the colors. Oh well.
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MikeL
Social climber
Southern Arizona
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Apr 30, 2019 - 07:05am PT
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Andy,
Sorry, I'm trying to do too many things this morning. I missed your post.
It's not important, really. Forget about it. I think I was having a Werner moment. :-)
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WBraun
climber
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Apr 30, 2019 - 07:10am PT
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Heh heh heh
It's a four by four piece of flat steel at some gauge.
There's the measurement.
The pattern on the plate is a drug-addled pattern created in Andy Warhol's mind while sitting in studio 54 ....... :-)
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MikeL
Social climber
Southern Arizona
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Apr 30, 2019 - 07:32am PT
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jogill,
I'm reminded by some impetus of Lee Krasner's recollection of a conversation between her husband, Jackson Pollack, and Hans Hoffman when Hoffman visited Pollack to see his work.
Hoffman asked Pollack: "Do you work from nature?" To which Pollack responded, "I AM nature." Hoffman then said: "You don't work from nature, you work by heart. That's no good. You will repeat yourself."
When I first started making art, I was surprised at how images came up for me without prompting all on their own. I've been observing the process for me, and I am no longer sure it really happens like that. I'm riffing the infinite diversity of what appears in front of me.
I seem to be navigating around or with (as if dancing) what appears to be objects. When I am in a large airport foyer or train station, there are people going every which way, and I am trying to get across the expanse through all of those people going every which way. So I weave and bend around obstacles that are morphing, and it comes easily and naturally if I let go. The process has a life of its own. I think I understand it and control it, but honestly, I don't.
Edit: sorry for errors in typing. Too much multi-tasking.
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MikeL
Social climber
Southern Arizona
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Apr 30, 2019 - 07:51am PT
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Werner: The pattern on the plate is a drug-addled pattern created in Andy Warhol's mind while sitting in studio 54 ....... :-)
Could be. Who knows, and what does it really matter.
I showed this piece ("American Spirituality") over dinner last night to my mother-in-law, and she really hates it.
I tried to explain to her that the swastika is one of the oldest religious icons in history. Reportedly, it has appeared in almost every religion known to man, to include the American Indians. My mother-in-law didn't care. I said it was just a piece of art, and I'm somewhat pleased that it generated the conversation and emotional response, as it was my intention to show people not only what they see but how they see. Andy Warhol's art notwithstanding, you see what you believe. How he came to his images is interesting no matter how he came to them. This, too, is mind as you point out. None of it is either bad or good.
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WBraun
climber
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Apr 30, 2019 - 08:15am PT
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Unfortunately, Mike, you couldn't tell the difference between a Nazi swastika and a Vedic one.
There is a big subtle difference.
Things are NOT always what they seem and true ...... with your "None of it is either bad or good."
That's one of the fatal mistakes the impersonalist always make ....
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Ward Trotter
Trad climber
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Apr 30, 2019 - 10:52am PT
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My mother-in-law didn't care
I don't either MikeL. It is not art, it is bullsh#t, and you know it.
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BASE104
Social climber
An Oil Field
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Apr 30, 2019 - 11:17am PT
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Eyes are interesting. They have evolved separately in most animal families.
The most complex and efficient eyes belong to a species of shrimp.
This month’s trivia. H. Salients is not the end all and be all at everything.
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Jan
Mountain climber
Colorado & Nepal
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Apr 30, 2019 - 12:26pm PT
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Good art always strikes a nerve with someone and can often be interpreted multiple ways depending on the person. I personally see two possible interpretations of Mike's swastika art. My first thought was yes, that jacket belongs on a lot of bigots in our country masquerading as patriots. And yes they do worship fascism and its symbols as they gun down people in synagogues just like the folks who wore that symbol proudly. And yes we do worship violence in this country. As H. Rap Brown said, "Violence is as American as apple pie".
Otherwise, you could take it as a symbol of patriotism and spirituality if you are one of the Native Americans who see the swastika as sacred or anyone of several Asian religions. Since the Nazis usurped this ancient symbol from India however, best not to use it in the West, land of white nationalists. Best not to wear one's politics or religion on one's sleeve or back at any time in my view.
Meanwhile, there's a fascinating article on the universality of swastikas in Wikipedia if you look it up.
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MikeL
Social climber
Southern Arizona
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Apr 30, 2019 - 01:19pm PT
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Werner: . . . you couldn't tell the difference between a Nazi swastika and a Vedic one.
Read a little further. Swastikas show up facing both sides in history. As Jan notes. The notion that there are differences between left and right facing swastikas is a very recent modern construction. Check out the various renditions historically in Google Images.
Again, what we see is reliant upon how we see, and that's what is what's interesting to me.
(The image of the jacket showed up in a dream I had staying in a Motel 6 in Portland a number of months ago).
EDIT: Perhaps me and my art should get me deleted from ST. Ha. Wouldn't that be poetic?
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MikeL
Social climber
Southern Arizona
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Apr 30, 2019 - 01:41pm PT
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It is a well-known practice of many so-called radical spiritual traditions to directly challenge accepted social mores and ideals as a way to break students out of the ruts that arise from socializations and institutionalizations. We are so far deep that we can't see the forest from the trees.
For example, look at the use of charnel grounds in hindi, buddhist, kashmiri shaivism practices.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charnel_ground
I guess you could just hit people over the heads or use a kyōsaku or simply shout "Phat!" at the top of your lungs unannounced with folks.
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WBraun
climber
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Apr 30, 2019 - 01:46pm PT
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Read a little further. Swastikas show up facing both sides in history.
You still are missing it completely.
Keep looking at it.
You are the so called zen mind guy.
Quit talking and really really start looking ....
(Hint ... it's very subtle but strikingly clear the difference)
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MH2
Boulder climber
Andy Cairns
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Apr 30, 2019 - 01:54pm PT
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But is it important?
There is a lot that we miss, but here we still are.
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