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Escopeta
Trad climber
Idaho
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Mar 16, 2016 - 01:32pm PT
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Maybe the dildo factory will organize.
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NutAgain!
Trad climber
South Pasadena, CA
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Mar 16, 2016 - 02:24pm PT
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Maybe the ultimate solution is for corporations that want to express opinions to get together and buy media outlets. Then the campgain finance "reforms" proposed won't affect them, and they can say whatever they want, protected by the freedom of the press that the libs so admire. The problem, though, is that few people listen to those arguments that differ from their existing positions.
I hope there is some tongue in cheek in this... this is part of the problem today, that those who want to influence widespread opinion have already purchased large media outlets, and it causes an editorial bias that gets in the way of factual reporting and balanced coverage of ideas.
Perhaps at root is not the evil of media corporations, but that they are giving us exactly what we collectively want: entertainment rather than useful information. If people stopped using the "evil media" that presents crap, then it would die from lack of profit.
Or, it would at least have to have small enough losses to not swamp out the prospective gains from other parts of the owners' portfolios. In any case, profitable or not, we (as a society) would not be as influenced by these media outlets if we were more educated and discerning.
Damnit, as long as we have a vote we ultimately get the government we deserve. Not as individuals, but as a society.
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
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Mar 16, 2016 - 03:53pm PT
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Is this really over?
NO.
But,if you get your news from the MSM ,YOU WOULD THINK IT IS.
Despite Bernie Sanders losing all five states in last night’s primary contests, he’s within striking distance of Hillary Clinton. And if Sanders wins the upcoming Western primaries, he could erase Clinton’s lead and become the new front-runner for the nomination.
At the end of the night, Hillary Clinton increased her delegate lead by about 100, still leaving Sanders plenty of room to eliminate her advantage in the 24 remaining states. A candidate needs 2,383 delegates to clinch the Democratic nomination, and as of March 16, Clinton only has 1,132 delegates to Sanders’ 818. Less than half of the pledged delegates have been selected thus far.
All of the states most favorable to Clinton have already voted, including the entire deep south, and the states most favorable to Sanders are still on the calendar. If anyone should be worried about their chances at the nomination waning over time, it’s Hillary Clinton.
Furthermore, it’s most important to note that going into these favorable states, Bernie Sanders only needs 58% of the remaining pledged delegates. And considering he picked up 67.7% of the vote in Kansas, 64.3% in Maine, and a thundering 86.1% in his home state of Vermont — shutting out Clinton entirely from the 15% delegate threshold — this is not as impossible as the doomsayers predict.
He also squeaked above the 58% figure with 59% of the vote in Colorado and 61.6% in Minnesota, and he scored a respectable 57.1% in Nebraska. He received 60% back in New Hampshire and has come in virtual ties in many other states outside of the South thus far, meaning he’s beaten the target a total of six times.
Sanders also continued to bolster his argument for electability in the general in tonight’s contests. Among groups that hold special significance in general elections, like young voters and independents, Sanders performed particularly well. For example, 70 percent of independents in Illinois voted for Sanders over Clinton. And despite Clinton pulling out a narrow win in Illinois, Sanders still won the under-45 bloc by a vast margin:
What all this means is that Bernie Sanders is still well within striking distance of the nomination as more Sanders-friendly states take to the polls throughout the Spring. The primary season is only halfway over, and the remaining states are overwhelmingly favorable to Sanders in that they’re blue states with large populations of Democratic-leaning independents and voters under 45.
In fact, out of the 17 states Sanders has lost, it’s important to remember that Barack Obama still beat Hillary Clinton in 2008 despite losing 21 states. Florida and Ohio, which Clinton won last night, also went for Clinton in 2008. According to New York Times election results, Clinton beat Obama in Florida by 17 points. She also beat Obama in Ohio by a 10-point margin in 2008. Sanders’ loss in those states isn’t that devastating in context.
Nationally-renowned pollster Nate Silver carved out a path for Sanders to win the nomination, showing which states the Vermont senator had to win, and by what margins, to remain competitive. Silver doesn’t list Delaware and Maryland as must-win states for Sanders, meaning he could theoretically lose those states and two others while still remaining competitive throughout the remainder of the primary season.
If Sanders and Clinton are neck-and-neck in national polls, Sanders can still win the nomination if he wins the upcoming Western contests by comfortable margins. Many of the Western states are caucuses, where Sanders traditionally does well. Three of Sanders’ last four landslide victories — Kansas, Maine, and Nebraska — are caucus states. While Western states are traditionally polling deserts at this stage, donations from certain geographical regions help shine a light on how favorable the West is for Sanders. it should be noted that six of the top 10 cities that donate the most money per capita to the Sanders campaign are in Western states that have yet to vote:
U.S. Rep. Alan Grayson, a Florida superdelegate who has endorsed Sanders, explained in a recent Huffington Post blog that the second half of this primary season — after March 15 — could be referred to as “Presidential Primary Version 2.0.” Grayson agrees that Sanders’ best states are in the months to come:
Democratic presidential primary 2.0 elects a total of 2033 pledged delegates. If Bernie Sanders wins those races (and delegates) by the same 60-40 margin that he has amassed in primaries and caucuses outside the “Old South” to date, then that will give him an advantage of 407 pledged delegates. That is more — far more — than the current Clinton margin of 223. [Ed. Note — Margin is now 314, but the math still works out. Again, Sanders’ target is about 58%.]
Almost 700 pledged delegates are chosen on June 7 alone. It seems unlikely that either candidate will accumulate a margin of 700 pledged delegates before then. So this one may come down to the wire.
Fasten your seat belts. It’s going to be a wild ride.
http://usuncut.com/politics/bernie-sanders-worst-states-behind/
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the Fet
climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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Mar 16, 2016 - 04:03pm PT
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The problem is more money buys more speech and if you repeat a lie enough many people believe it
We had a local referendum on developing the last undeveloped valley near my house. The developer had deep pockets and did a lot of deceptive advertising. Basically saying to vote yes for preserving open space. When yes actually meant allowing their development. There was a sign on every street corner. Their justification was the project now included more open space than their previous proposals. But it was obviously meant to trick people. The referendum barely passed in their favor. Luckily we had the downturn in the economy 5 years ago and they put the project on hold, so it didn't happen yet, and I think they'd need to go thru approvals again. But it really subverted truth and justice IMO. Maybe it's legal but it's wrong and should change.
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
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Mar 16, 2016 - 04:06pm PT
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This is NOT Democracy!
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Shetville , North of Los Angeles
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Mar 16, 2016 - 07:28pm PT
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Citizens united ( formerly known as the 1% ass hats ) suppresses the free speech of the poor and middle class...Time for a class action lawsuit..
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Jorroh
climber
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Mar 16, 2016 - 09:32pm PT
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JE said :Jorroh's response, attempting to differentiate the rights of unions from those of others to advocacy, belies the real criticism of Citizens United. The critics don't like the decision because ideas they don't like get propagated."
Complete bollocks and a rather lame misinterpretation of what I was saying, which was... how come employees of companies I partly own can spend my cash pushing their own political preferences.
Any even worse, how is it they don't even have to disclose that spending to me?
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Shetville , North of Los Angeles
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Mar 16, 2016 - 09:41pm PT
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My observation of union member voting tendancies is that they fall for the republican scare tactics and vote for the same conservative dick-weeds that try to bust the unions...
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MisterE
Gym climber
Small Town with a Big Back Yard
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Mar 16, 2016 - 10:10pm PT
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More useless drivel to throw into the mix:
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
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Mar 17, 2016 - 04:42am PT
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MisterE: Posts like those are plaguing Facebook and they're delusional. Sanders isn't much behind Clinton like I'm not that much shorter than Lebron James. Sanders needs to win 60% of the remaining delegates just to tie Clinton and that's excluding her 400 superdelegate advantage. It's ridiculous.
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EdwardT
Trad climber
Retired
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Mar 17, 2016 - 06:01am PT
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and that's excluding her 400 super delegate advantage.
Funny how Clinton's massive super-delegate count gets left out of the "Bernie can still win" arguments.
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
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Mar 17, 2016 - 06:18am PT
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Another Republican defending Hillary^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Sketch ,that is because they are not hers until the convention.
It does great misjustice to the remaining 24 states that vote yet.
edit; But,you all know that already.
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pyro
Big Wall climber
Calabasas
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Mar 17, 2016 - 06:38am PT
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Burn voters heads EXPLODED..
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EdwardT
Trad climber
Retired
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Mar 17, 2016 - 06:40am PT
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Not a Republican.
Not defending Hillary.
Just commenting on a major detail frequently omitted from the Bernie camp.
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
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Mar 17, 2016 - 05:04pm PT
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
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Mar 17, 2016 - 05:06pm PT
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EdwardT
Trad climber
Retired
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Mar 17, 2016 - 05:27pm PT
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MisterE
Gym climber
Small Town with a Big Back Yard
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Mar 17, 2016 - 05:47pm PT
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HDDJ:
MisterE: Posts like those are plaguing Facebook and they're delusional.
What part of "more useless drivel" was unclear to you?
:)
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Mar 17, 2016 - 10:23pm PT
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There seems to be a lack of understanding of the math.
The coming primaries are all proportional - which means whoever wins within 5-10%, they will both get about the same number. So Bern doesn't make up any ground. To do that, he has to win by 20% or more IN EACH STATE. Not likely.
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MisterE
Gym climber
Small Town with a Big Back Yard
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Mar 17, 2016 - 10:53pm PT
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This is pretty good, all politics notwithstanding (nudge, nudge - know what I mean):
[Click to View YouTube Video]
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