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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 14, 2009 - 01:16pm PT
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A respected infectious disease medical doctor on Fox News admits . . .
Doctor Admits Vaccine Is More Deadly Than Swine Flu Itself & Will Not Give It To His Kids
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E1z7KSEnyxw&feature=related
You choose to roll the dice if you take the vaccine. You have freedom of choice. You have free will. Do as you choose to do.
DO NOT FORCE YOUR WILL ON OTHERS. IF THEY DO NOT WANT TO TAKE IT AND THERE ARE MANY REASONS WHY NOT TOO, THEN ABIDE BY THEIR CHOICE NOT TO TAKE IT.
Our bodies are the temple of God as the good book says. Why would we want to defile it with a poison? Why would you ask others to do so who have this faith?
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Forest
Trad climber
Denver, CO
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Nov 14, 2009 - 01:55pm PT
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Did you even watch that video? Nearly the first words out of the guys mouth are that "thimerosal has been proven to cause autism." How can you expect anyone to take someone who says something like that seriously? Study after study has found no link at all.
Even the super duper autism/thimerosal alarmists don't make that claim (that it's been proven.) That's some seriously crazy conspiracy theory kookiness.
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 14, 2009 - 02:05pm PT
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Apparently you didn't listen close enough.
He mentions the link and the disease specifically. Yes some links with some diseases have been discounted. But specific ones have a direct link and he spells it out. Listen again.
Fine, shoot up with Mercury if you want. There is no doubt that it is a poison, so why put it into vaccines as a preservative? There are other preservatives that will work that do not have the toxicity of Mercury.
Do what you want. At least you do so knowing the risks. I choose not to take the vaccine, or any vaccine I seriously have doubts about. My right.
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WBraun
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Nov 14, 2009 - 02:18pm PT
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Well????? who are we supposed to believe Reily?
In 1977, a Russian study found that adults exposed to ethylmercury, the form of mercury in thimerosal, suffered brain damage years later.
Studies on thimerosal poisoning also describe tubular necrosis and nervous system injury, including obtundation, coma and death. As a result of these findings, Russia banned thimerosal from children's vaccines in 1980.
Denmark, Austria, Japan, Great Britain and all the Scandinavian countries have also banned the preservative.
In June 2000, federal officials and industry representatives were assembled by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention to discuss the disturbing evidence. According to Tom Verstraeten, an epidemiologist who had analyzed the data on the CDC's database, thimerosal appeared to be responsible for a dramatic increase in autism and other neurological disorders.
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WBraun
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Nov 14, 2009 - 02:28pm PT
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One of the most controversial subject matters here on this forum is always;
1) You believe everything you hear?
2) You need to think for yourself!
3) you're a retard if you don't.
Then when someone investigates, then they're called;
1) Tinfoil hats
2) Conspiracy nuts
3) And finally again "retards"
LOL hahaha
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WBraun
climber
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Nov 14, 2009 - 02:40pm PT
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It's not the vaccine it's the preservative that keep the vaccines from becoming contaminated.
But then I don't know anything about this stuff but I sure wouldn't blindly believe either side.
Side effects sometimes do not appear until much later. Sometimes years down the line.
Asbestos is a classic example .......
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WBraun
climber
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Nov 14, 2009 - 02:43pm PT
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I do that.
And the fox news source immediately triggered a red flag as you can't trust them at all for fair and non biased.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
Monrovia, CA
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Nov 14, 2009 - 02:47pm PT
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Well, I've got it apparently. Luckily, being ancient (having some immunity?) it isn't too terrible - aches and low to moderate fever. Yesterday I had some GI distress but I'm not sure that was related. The wife has had both vaccines (her patients are OB) and is fine.
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 14, 2009 - 03:00pm PT
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Radical wants us to believe that a Mercury preservative and whatever else is placed into vaccines is all good and sound science, now today. Bull Dung. Perhaps when vaccines were first developed, but things are different today. Much more is at stake. The game has become evil.
Robert Kennedy Jr's article is still sound after all these years. Big Pharma is behind these vaccines and they are also behind crushing the Public Option for Health care. It is about money and other evil intentions.
You are not going to convince me that they have our best intentions in mind. That is 100% USDA Choice Grade Bull Dung.
Deadly Immunity
Robert F. Kennedy Jr. investigates the government cover-up of a mercury/autism scandal
ROBERT F. KENNEDY JR.Posted Jun 20, 2005 12:00 AM
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/7395411/deadly_immunity/
Robert Kennedy is an awesome attorney, and he knows environmental science. He is not someone you can discount.
Perhaps you have bought into Big Pharma's lies. I haven't and many have come out to say so. Those who are in the know. Insiders. Are you on the inside of these companies? Do you know what the rich powerful elite of the World intend? There are those who do. And I'm going to listen to them and weigh it against the reality as it happens. I would be a fool not too.
From the Kennedy article:
"In June 2000, a group of top government scientists and health officials gathered for a meeting at the isolated Simpsonwood conference center in Norcross, Georgia. Convened by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, the meeting was held at this Methodist retreat center, nestled in wooded farmland next to the Chattahoochee River, to ensure complete secrecy. The agency had issued no public announcement of the session -- only private invitations to fifty-two attendees. There were high-level officials from the CDC and the Food and Drug Administration, the top vaccine specialist from the World Health Organization in Geneva and representatives of every major vaccine manufacturer, including GlaxoSmithKline, Merck, Wyeth and Aventis Pasteur. All of the scientific data under discussion, CDC officials repeatedly reminded the participants, was strictly "embargoed." There would be no making photocopies of documents, no taking papers with them when they left.
The federal officials and industry representatives had assembled to discuss a disturbing new study that raised alarming questions about the safety of a host of common childhood vaccines administered to infants and young children. According to a CDC epidemiologist named Tom Verstraeten, who had analyzed the agency's massive database containing the medical records of 100,000 children, a mercury-based preservative in the vaccines -- thimerosal -- appeared to be responsible for a dramatic increase in autism and a host of other neurological disorders among children. "I was actually stunned by what I saw," Verstraeten told those assembled at Simpsonwood, citing the staggering number of earlier studies that indicate a link between thimerosal and speech delays, attention-deficit disorder, hyperactivity and autism. Since 1991, when the CDC and the FDA had recommended that three additional vaccines laced with the preservative be given to extremely young infants -- in one case, within hours of birth -- the estimated number of cases of autism had increased fifteenfold, from one in every 2,500 children to one in 166 children.
Even for scientists and doctors accustomed to confronting issues of life and death, the findings were frightening. "You can play with this all you want," Dr. Bill Weil, a consultant for the American Academy of Pediatrics, told the group. The results "are statistically significant." Dr. Richard Johnston, an immunologist and pediatrician from the University of Colorado whose grandson had been born early on the morning of the meeting's first day, was even more alarmed. "My gut feeling?" he said. "Forgive this personal comment -- I do not want my grandson to get a thimerosal-containing vaccine until we know better what is going on."
But instead of taking immediate steps to alert the public and rid the vaccine supply of thimerosal, the officials and executives at Simpsonwood spent most of the next two days discussing how to cover up the damaging data. According to transcripts obtained under the Freedom of Information Act, many at the meeting were concerned about how the damaging revelations about thimerosal would affect the vaccine industry's bottom line. "We are in a bad position from the standpoint of defending any lawsuits," said Dr. Robert Brent, a pediatrician at the Alfred I. duPont Hospital for Children in Delaware. "This will be a resource to our very busy plaintiff attorneys in this country." Dr. Bob Chen, head of vaccine safety for the CDC, expressed relief that "given the sensitivity of the information, we have been able to keep it out of the hands of, let's say, less responsible hands." Dr. John Clements, vaccines advisor at the World Health Organization, declared that "perhaps this study should not have been done at all." He added that "the research results have to be handled," warning that the study "will be taken by others and will be used in other ways beyond the control of this group."
Still think they have our best intentions in mind?
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Domingo
Trad climber
El Portal, CA
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Nov 14, 2009 - 03:39pm PT
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"eight of 12 children whose cases were the basis for the study"
12 does not make for good science when we're talking population scales.
"the estimated number of cases of autism had increased fifteenfold, from one in every 2,500 children to one in 166 children."
that's better science, but it still doesn't take into the fact logistic models for increases in healthcare access leading to increases in diagnoses of non-infectious diseases.
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 15, 2009 - 10:36am PT
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Radical,
One question.
Why do you do apologetics for Big Pharma?
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WBraun
climber
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Nov 15, 2009 - 12:38pm PT
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Riley
Do you know how I became deaf?
The drug that treated tuberculous back in the 50's.
I was 1 year old when some woman gave it to me. My mom didn't know this woman had it.
Anyways the long term side affect from that drug unknown at that time was it broke down the nerve cells in the ear.
Millions lost their hearing years later.
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Ghost
climber
A long way from where I started
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Nov 15, 2009 - 01:24pm PT
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Werner, that is some scary sh#t. And of course it could happen again, and people are wise to be skeptical about claims made by any big industry (not just pharma).
However, what happened to you with the tuberculosis treatment, and what has happened with other drugs (thalidomide comes to mind), does not mean that there was then, or is now, any conspiracy by some shadowy organization to deliberately put something in drugs to do damage.
I'm sure there are evil people working in the Pharmaceutical industry, just as there are in every other industry. But to believe that the whole H1N1 business -- from the intentional origin of the disease to the preparation of a vaccine that is really a secret weapon for the NWO to control us all -- is way way out there into loony-land.
Healthy skepticism is a wise approach, especially when huge amounts of money can be made by cutting corners or bending regulations. But that is a far different thing than what the conspiracy theorists are suggesting.
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 18, 2009 - 12:47am PT
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Thanks to Rockermike for posting this on another thread . . .
Jim Carrey and Jenny McCarthy Present Robert F. Kennedy Jr. - Shocking Vaccine Cover Up:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-Af0ar7gE4
Part 2: Jim Carrey and Jenny McCarthy Present Robert F. Kennedy Jr. - Shocking Vaccine Cover Up
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ysbUM5jk54&feature=related
Vaccines - Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5U6XQpJC9DI
Robert Kennedy Jr. is a hero in my book. He has fought so hard for so long on so many envirnmental issues and now he is fighting for our health. He is a truth seeker. My kids love their copy of the book St. Francis of Assisi written by RFK Jr. God bless you Bobby.
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dirtbag
climber
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Dec 14, 2009 - 04:29pm PT
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So where are all the NWO-caused deaths from the H1N1 vaccine?
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Ghost
climber
A long way from where I started
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Dec 14, 2009 - 04:33pm PT
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So where are all the NWO-caused deaths from the H1N1 vaccine?
There have been millions of deaths, but since the NWO controls all media including every internet site in the world, you will never find out about them.
Edit: Another possibility is that death was never the goal. Maybe the NWO put some kind of timed-release mind-control drug in those H1N1 vaccines, and sometime in the future all those who took the vaccine will turn into zombies and kill the rest of us.
Or something.
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dirtbag
climber
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Dec 14, 2009 - 04:43pm PT
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Yes, of course Ghost, that must be it!
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JuanDeFuca
Big Wall climber
Peenemunde
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Dec 14, 2009 - 05:03pm PT
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I got my H1N1 shot last thur.
Still Alive.
Juan
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dirtbag
climber
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Dec 14, 2009 - 05:23pm PT
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You mean, you got your microchip implant last Thursday.
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