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BillO
Boulder climber
Whittier, CA
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Everybody's dancin' down the local armory
With a basement full of dynamite and live artillery.
The temperature keeps risin', everybody gittin' high;
Come the rockin' stroke of midnite, the whole place gonna fly.
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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hey anyone on the bus here have the software to open those FLACC(?) flacid? files of that philbirthdayfurther show posted up a big back that I downloaded, onto a G-4 Mac. My Bro in Wyo said to do that format and he has the software to do this that he is going to send me any minute, for the last couple of weeks. But I am hitting the road this evening and looking for more immediate gratificiaon.
I need a miracle....
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drljefe
climber
Old Pueblo, AZ
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 1, 2010 - 02:07pm PT
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sorry jaybro- I'm still rockin cassettes!
I'm a digidumdum.
My friend's masters from 83 still sound crystal.
BIODTL jay
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drljefe
climber
Old Pueblo, AZ
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 1, 2010 - 02:32pm PT
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Seriously, Red Bear"s master tapes from the early 80's have a quality and ambience that put's you right back at the Pauly Pavillion.
I love SBDs, but man, a perfect 30 yr old audience recording...
as Jer would say "crackling with energy".
And they said tapes wouldn't last.
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Yow Pate, that took three minutes, about three stiches between stonemaster knickers and speedysticher. Thanks and have a gratefulday
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cp0915
climber
LV NV
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Apr 14, 2010 - 01:50pm PT
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That first photo is classic, Pate. Thanks for posting!
Unfortunately, my personal experience with Dead shows is much less exciting. Since I was imprisoned in the geriatric swamps of southwest Florida most of my life, I only made the Orlando '94 show, but it was canceled just as I pulled in to the venue. Couldn't make the following (?) evening. Then they played Tampa about a year later but I couldn't make that one either. Then Jerry left us all.
At least we still had/have The Other Ones, The Dead (last year's Inglewood show was solid), Ratdog, and of course, the upcoming Memorial weekend Furthur Festival in Angels Camp!
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yosguns
climber
Durham, NC
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Apr 18, 2010 - 11:13am PT
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http://www.archive.org/details/gd88-09-12.sbd-matrix.wiley.8477.sbefail.shnf
I liked the setlist, and apparently it's a good show!
09/12/88
The Spectrum - Philadelphia, PA
Set 1:
Jack Straw
Althea
Good Time Blues
Dire Wolf
Cassidy
Dupree's Diamond Blues
When I Paint My Masterpiece
When Push Comes To Shove
The Music Never Stopped
Set 2:
Box Of Rain
Cold Rain And Snow
Man Smart-Woman Smarter
Eyes Of The World
Drums
The Other One
Wharf Rat
Around And Around
Good Lovin'
Encore:
Knockin' On Heaven's Door
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ncrockclimber
climber
NC
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Apr 18, 2010 - 11:29am PT
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I have subscribed to two great podcast: Through The Years and The Deadpod. I archive all the episodes. Great stuff!
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Apr 18, 2010 - 04:02pm PT
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The music is special, I play a fair bit of it. I like the counter culture economy. Shakedown street was like a band of gypsys. Kind of like as close as your gonna get to experience 3rd world liveing in the good ol USA.
The level of hypocracy on tour was absolutly stunning however. One look at the grounds the morning after and it was crystal clear how full of sh#t all the earth first hippy types are.... At the end of the day the experience was a lot more about getting f*#ked up, makeing money and listening to music than it was about peace, love and harmony with nature...
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yosguns
climber
Durham, NC
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Apr 18, 2010 - 05:53pm PT
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tradman,
It is stunning to see the ground after thousands of people have gathered, isn't it? Crowds are very irresponsible. Having agreed with you on that, I'd also like to consider a couple other things.
First, in order to call Dead Heads hypocrites for the trash left after a Dead show, you would have to believe they were all "earth first hippy types," which I don't. Maybe you could call them hippies...maybe. But really, they were their own separate thing: Dead Heads, more likely linked by LSD (the original Acid Tests) and a search for collectivism and mind expansion than environmental activism. In fact, you were at Dead shows, but seem reluctant to label yourself an "earth first hippy type." Your reasons for being at shows were probably very similar to others', and I doubt you were there to pick up garbage. (But, for all I know, you were manning the Greenpeace tent; if that was the case, good for you!)
Second, we have no data to compare Dead Heads to any other crowd (say, Black Sabbath fans...of which I'm sure there was even some overlap), so who's to say they weren't more responsible? The ground after a Dead Show may have been comparatively cleaner than after a different rock concert. The data would have to take into account average number of concession purchases per attendee, venue management (number of trash receptacles and security [what was allowed in]), and historical trends in society's overall awareness of environmental issues over the course of the band's 30+ year history.
Cheers!
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drljefe
climber
Old Pueblo, AZ
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 18, 2010 - 07:21pm PT
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Pate's right, at least for the lot.
I think i recounted a story upthread about cleaning up my little zone in the lot and having Bill Graham himself cruise up on his moto and hand me a ticket.
In the late 80's early 90's there was a newsletter- Duprees Diamond News- which not only had recent setlists and upcoming tourdates, but also key things heads could do to ensure the Band would be invited back to town.
What other band did that???
I'll try and dig up an old copy.
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yosguns
climber
Durham, NC
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Apr 18, 2010 - 07:26pm PT
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Well, well. Looks like there may be at least qualitative data that, for whatever motive, the Dead WERE more environmentally-minded than other bands. Imagine that! ;-)
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Apr 18, 2010 - 07:44pm PT
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If you ever talked to the guys who ran the venues and worked in the citys near the venues they will all tell you that the dead fans leave more trash than any other event hands down....
Amazeing how so many of the fans wear rose colored glasses.
Albany the last summer tour from hell. Cops pulled off of horses and stomped, tear gas, bad ju ju in the streets.. This one cute blond and brainless friend of mine, rings on her fingers, bells on her toes,bringing her baby to shows and getting wasted the whole time... She looks at me and proclaims.. Wow.. there was so much love in the streets last week..
I am like, Huh? I saw a ton of husteling, people selling fake tickets to rip off other dead heads,drugs and alchohol abuse on chronic levels, raw sex, violence, crazyness but no love... The dead closed the set on the 2nd night with I fought the law and that felt just about right....
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drljefe
climber
Old Pueblo, AZ
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 18, 2010 - 07:57pm PT
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tradman- I'd send you a PM, but I tried that already a while ago when you were circlin' the drain so...
east coast...later years...different trip, man.
Did you ever come out west for a show? to climb?
OK people...
let's put our rose colored shades back on!
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yosguns
climber
Durham, NC
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Apr 18, 2010 - 08:09pm PT
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Yep, all of that, too. With a set of shows spanning over 30+ years, everyone is bound to be right. But, tradman, you assumed all Dead Heads were environmentalists, which they weren't... I don't see any hypocrisy. People went to shows and got high. Some of those people were probably environmental activists...and a lot of them weren't. I WOULD bet, though, that a larger percentage of them than in other concert populations have done service work for the environment at some point in their lives. But again, NO DATA! Just opinion based on observation.
For every venue manager who says the Dead were bad, there's one who says they were better than everyone else. "I'd rather work nine Grateful Dead concerts than one Oregon football game," Police Det. Rick Raynor said. "They don't get belligerent like they do at the games." Brock, Ted (1990-06-26). "MORNING BRIEFING: IN OREGON, THEY'RE GRATEFUL FOR ALL EXTRA CASH THEY GET". Los Angeles Times: p. C2.
Weir's been active in recent years for environmental causes and I guess will be doing Earth Day in DC this year along with other invited celebrities. Not proof of anything regarding fans, but a positive thing to note, nonetheless. And an indication of band members' values.
Then there's the Rex Foundation, of course. http://rexfoundation.org/home/social-change/
There's also this interesting article:
(2007-12-09). "COUNTERCULTURE GREEN". The New York Times.
The Whole Earth Catalog, originally published in 1968, had one of the most arresting covers in 20th-century publishing: an image of the Earth as seen from space. The idea for the picture came to Stewart Brand, Whole Earth's publisher, in 1966, when, in the throes of an acid trip, he thought, ''Seeing an image of the earth from space would change a lot of things.'' Brand positioned himself on the campus of the University of California, Berkeley, wearing a sandwich board and selling lapel buttons that asked, ''Why haven't we seen a photograph of the whole Earth yet?'' He mailed the buttons to Congress, and legend has it his lobbying goaded NASA into releasing celestial pictures from an Apollo mission.
According to ''Counterculture Green: The Whole Earth Catalog and American Environmentalism,'' by Andrew G. Kirk, the mind-blowing photo of our planet was a catalyst for the ecology movement. The Whole Earth Catalog itself became the voice of a new kind of environmental advocacy that, rather than shunning science as nature's enemy, embraced it as the key that could unlock the door to personal freedom and create a post-scarcity social utopia. Advances like pictures from space, personal computers, geodesic domes and even nuclear power were all part of what became known as the ''appropriate technology movement,'' for which the Whole Earth Catalog was both a resource and a summary. No tree-hugging Luddite or apocalyptic doomsayer, Brand, Kirk writes, had an optimistic outlook shaped by ''a love of good tools, thoughtful technology, scientific inquiry and a Western libertarian skepticism of the government's ability to take the lead in these areas.'' Brand wrote of his own publication, ''This is a book of tools for saving the world at the only scale it can be done, one hand at a time.''
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That's not to say Brand and his comrades weren't wild and crazy. Brand enthusiastically described the Alloy Gathering in New Mexico in the spring of 1969 as ''outlaws, dope fiends and fanatics.'' They were ''doers primarily, with a functional grimy grasp on the world. World thinkers, dropouts from specialization. Hope freaks.'' Kirk notes that ''from a distance'' the Alloy Gathering might have looked like just another extended hippie party, but inside its domes was ''a remarkable collection of productive appropriate-technology innovators mapping out a tech-friendly environmental ethic decades ahead of its time.'' Among Brand's fellows in the movement were Steve Baer, who had designed the alternative energy structures at the Drop City commune in Colorado; J. Baldwin, the New Age hippie who was a Whole Earth writer and editor and a '''thing-maker, tool-freak and prototyper' for an inventive generation''; John Perry Barlow, a Grateful Dead lyricist and counterculture libertarian who referred to cyberspace as the Electronic Frontier; and Buckminster Fuller, the iconoclastic designer whom Whole Earth introduced ''to a new generation -- promoting him to the status of cult hero.''
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Apr 18, 2010 - 08:47pm PT
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Like i said. The music is awsome, its cool to mingle with street people and eat 50 cent grilled cheese cooked on a camp stove in the dirt but don't kid yourself about the tour being nirvana. Its just a bunch of folks getting wasted..;)
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