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Mighty Hiker
Social climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Jul 11, 2009 - 10:07pm PT
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I was wondering if anyone was or could save the threads about John, and the attachments, and the links, in some reasonably permanent format? Can they be saved as screen shots or something, and eventually converted into a CD and given to John's family? There are many stories and photos here, that should be kept together in one place. I suppose they'll be in the bowels of the SuperTopo server, as long as it's running, but that seems a bit unreliable.
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L
climber
It's a big ol' Moon a singing to me now...
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Jul 12, 2009 - 01:55am PT
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Hey Tyrus,
I just realized most of my last post disappeared...so it didn’t make much sense. This is the rest of what I wrote to you:
I think I might understand some of what you’re feeling better than many people do. My dad died when I was 12, also. He died of cancer, and it happened pretty quickly.
I didn’t get to say good-bye to him, and that was really hard. I kept feeling like he was going to come back home, like it was a big joke when they told me he was dead. Even after the funeral it didn’t feel real. But it was.
Then I decided I had to be strong for my mom, because she wasn’t handling it very well, so I was really careful to never let her or anyone see me cry. And I pretended I was all right. And we didn’t talk about my dad, because me and my brothers and sisters didn’t want to see our mom cry. And there wasn’t really anyone to talk to about it—not back when I was twelve years old. So I kept it inside of me, and the hurt never really healed. It just got buried inside, and it got worse. Then one day, finally, I talked to someone about my dad dying, and that’s when I started to feel better...but it took a long time. And I had to cry a lot to make up for all those years I'd held back the tears and pretended I didn't feel anything.
You have so many people around you who loved your dad, and love you, and will be there to listen to you if you need to talk about him. And it’s really good to cry sometimes, too. You might not know what you’re feeling—you might just feel like crying. That’s really good. It means the sadness and hurt is coming up from deep inside of you, and your heart is trying to heal itself. And that’s good...don’t be afraid to cry, or to let people see it. Your feelings belong to you, and they are always right...for you.
You’re really lucky, too, because your dad was part of this very special Forum. He wrote some wonderful things here, and started many great threads. One of the last ones—4th of You Lie—shows how much he cared about other people and social issues. That he thought it important to point out the horrible conditions on the Native American reservations...and then caught grief for posting it. But you could tell he didn’t care who argued with him—he knew it was the right thing to do. You’ll learn a lot about your dad from reading his threads. One day they’ll probably make more sense to you than they do now...and that’s when you’ll be so happy he was part of this Forum. Just as you are.
Goodnight, Tyrus.
Laura
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Social climber
valley center, ca
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Jul 12, 2009 - 02:08am PT
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Mighty Hiker, great idea....if no one out there volunteers I will ask my son to see if this is doable. If it is I will ask him to make it happen. Peace tonight to all....especially to John's loved ones and friends. You continue to always be in our thoughts and prayers. lrl
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Jan
Mountain climber
Okinawa, Japan
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Jul 12, 2009 - 02:44am PT
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Screen shots seem pretty tedious and unnecessary if I understand this right.
I have cut and pasted all the contributions to another thread onto simple text documents on my hard drive which also preserves their links. Then to be sure, I also downloaded the links.
That method is very fast and easy and preserves both text and photos which can then be added to a CD.
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Social climber
valley center, ca
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Jul 12, 2009 - 03:29am PT
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So Jan, for my birthday I can get a copy from you ? :D
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Rick A
climber
Boulder, Colorado
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Jul 12, 2009 - 11:11am PT
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Dear Tyrus,
Gerry and I have known your dad since he started climbing in Southern California.
He stayed with us for a few days last March when he came to Boulder for a slide show. We wanted you to know how proud your dad was when he told us about you. We’ll never forget his huge smile when he pulled from his wallet the pictures of you that he carried. He absolutely beamed when talking about you.
We hope to meet you someday. Know that you were much loved by your father, and that you were on his mind, even when he was far away.
Gerry and Rick Accomazzo
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Evel
Trad climber
the cliffs of insanity
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Jul 12, 2009 - 11:38am PT
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Yo Tyrus! My Pop died when I was 13. Really messed me up 'cause he was everything to me. I went down some wrong roads... drugs, booze, etc.. Now, some 32 years later I still miss him and ya know what? It's OK! Yes, real men DO cry. And real men DO have feelings and let them show. Don't hesitate to share your feelings. Keeping it bottled-up only makes it worse. Life will go on. More bad things will happen, but so will a ton of good. You've got Bachar blood in you, and for that you are fortunate. I'd say that fact alone puts you in the top 1%. So hang in there Dude. You've got the support of the entire worlds climbing community, so know that you're not alone in your grief. You ever need anything don't hesitate to give a shout. We'll be there for ya.
Peace little Brother,
Eric Mix
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oldcragster
Gym climber
WA
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Jul 12, 2009 - 02:40pm PT
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tyrus - don't know you but reading all the support all week for you I just couldn't not tell you I'm so sorry and want to express my heartfelt support too. your dad was a friend since mid-70's. last time I saw him was in the gorge over a decade ago. our paths crossed many times and he was always gracious. my thoughts are with you and I marvel at the other expressions so full of concern for you. If Paola is formerly from Truckee, I know her too and likewise pass on my condolence to her also. Lost my first climbing bud - Bill Stall, just months ago, so it is a tough year.
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Roman
Trad climber
Boston
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Jul 12, 2009 - 02:49pm PT
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Tyrus,
Your father was and always will be one of my heroes. He inspired me to dream. His legacy in both Tuolumne and the Valley have been huge factors in my life and his work with Acopa always gave me hope for having my own company one day. I wish the absolute best for you and I will remember your family in my prayers during your time of need. I have no doubts that you too will be just as great in whatever it is that you decide to do with your life.
Stay strong.
Sincerely,
Roman Hunt
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Social climber
valley center, ca
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Jul 13, 2009 - 01:58am PT
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So Tyrus,
Many from the campfire are with you and will always be with you. You are never alone. You are as close as a phone call or email to many that loved your Pop... and You... and care about you. Dude, day or night ..... call or write.
(Yo been in my thoughts and prayers all day today.) Peace, and praying dreams of closeness to your Da. lrl
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cleo
Social climber
Berkeley, CA
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Jul 13, 2009 - 02:59am PT
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much love, tyrus...
didn't know your dad well, but found him to be especially pleasant, humble, and good-humored. i'm glad to have met him.
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Jul 13, 2009 - 01:07pm PT
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It seems many others are having the same thought.
I kept going back to John's last post in "4th of You Lie" thread and reading it and rereading it. John's last post here at ST was the poem he copied and pasted regarding the conditions of Native North Americans, on July 5th, the day he left us. It is very deep and thoughtful. I can't see how anyone truly can't see the inequalities the Native North Americans face. John showed sympathy for their cause and I'm glad he posted those thoughts.
Saving John's threads: click on John's name hilighted in blue on his last post or any of his posts when you are signed in, and it gives you the option to see all of John's posts with links and in chronological order as he posted, and the number of posts he did here at ST. Obviously, this is true for anyone who posts here at ST.
I would think it would be very important to save this archive. What we post here at ST it does open a small window into our souls. I could tell by John's posts that he cared, and he wasn't afraid to make people think. And as has been noted already, he didn't shy away from contraversial topics or what people might say. I enjoyed that about him, and his presence here, and I sure do miss him. He is an inspiration.
Tyrus, I lost my mother in 1989 when I was in college. It will not be easy. I think about my mother a lot. Not all the time now, as I once did, but often. And sure enough something will happen and the memories are triggered and the tears start to flow. I know she is with me all the time.
Your dad is with you always too. Believe that. You have family and friends, and it is ok to cry when you need to with them, or alone privately. It's ok.
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brugru
Mountain climber
Christiansted, Virgin Islands(via Boulder)
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Jul 13, 2009 - 10:55pm PT
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dude, I'm so bummed for you and sad and crushed. I hope you're ok.
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Social climber
valley center, ca
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Jul 13, 2009 - 11:52pm PT
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Another Night, T. I be praying and caring....lynne....as I was all day.
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The Wolf
Trad climber
East SF Bay Area
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Jul 14, 2009 - 12:22am PT
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Tyrus, your dad and I saw each other occasionaly in Tuolumne over the years. We never climbed together but over the last couple years became email buddies. Oddly we never talked climbing only baseball and about you and my kids We talked often about getting together and playing some ball with you and and my boys. I sent you, through him a Nolan Ryan DVD after he told me he was your favorite pitcher. I can't express how badly I feel for you. Count me in as someone you can count on.
Jeff (Wolf) Vargen
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Social climber
valley center, ca
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Jul 14, 2009 - 01:58am PT
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Not letting your Thread get lost Ty.....Family and especially the young ones so holding you up in prayer. One day at a time, one step at a time with patience and perserverance. Love Ya Guy.
Your Pop will never let you go. Lynne
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Unforgiven
Mountain climber
Dirt
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Jul 14, 2009 - 09:54am PT
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Big T,
Be strong that's how your Dad would want you to be in this hard time.
I'm very sorry for your loss. your Dad was one cool dude
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MisterE
Trad climber
One Step Beyond!
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Jul 14, 2009 - 11:14pm PT
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I can't let this slip - I know you found some support out there.
Still sending good thoughts your way Tyrus. It's been on my mind constantly.
Erik
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Joe Terravecchia
Trad climber
Lebanon, Maine
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Jul 15, 2009 - 12:02am PT
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Tyrus, Just wanted you to know that we're thinking of you. Although I never had the chance to meet your dad, he was and continues to be a great inspiration to me. Wonderful to read postings here from those close to him and know that he was also a proud and loving father. Hold the memories of the good times you spent together closely.
With love from Maine,
Joe Terravecchia
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Social climber
valley center, ca
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Jul 16, 2009 - 02:11am PT
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So Tyrus, Dude....thought of my fav pic of your Dad tonight and trying to retrieve it for you. No luck so far but that's ok, will get it done if not tonight....manana. It's the picture he took of himself for the Polish Magazine. One of the best self portraits ever and I am serious about that. A few great artists took or painted in different mediums, self portraits. Your Dad's rocks right up there with the late great Artisimos.
Tyrus, yo Dude, Sincerely every hour of the day and lots of the night you are constantly in my thoughts and prayers. Again, all the Leichtfuss kiddos loving you and remembering you. If you want I may send you their pics here on ST ...think you might like to see the faces of the people that are caring.
Lynne
Peace to you Tyrus, we be caring and praying.... lynne
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