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Norton
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Apr 14, 2009 - 06:38pm PT
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I still want to hear his ideas.
He is a Republican and clearly knows the GOP talking points.
I am sure he reads and has been talking with like thinking people about what his party needs to be going, aggressively and right now, in order to expand the number of people who would be willing to vote Republican. He knows the GOP voting base is not sufficient to compete to win elections.
This has got to be foremost in the minds of any Republican who wants his party to return to a position to legislate their conservative agenda.
I want to hear his thoughts. There is no point in being a Republican in name only, you have to be in office or whats the point?
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sandstone conglomerate
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sharon conglomerate central
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Apr 14, 2009 - 06:55pm PT
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the sanctity of marriage, Gud help us, THE SANCTITY OF MARRIAGE. I have seen the end and it comes waving a rainbow banner...damn you Obama, damn you straight to (heterosexual) hell!!1111
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bookworm
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Falls Church, VA
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Apr 14, 2009 - 07:18pm PT
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actually, i think the gop needs to return to its core values, primarily fiscal responsibility...the gop that was elected in 1994-2004 is not the gop that lost in 2006-2008
i do believe that socially, the country is slightly right, hence 30 statewide referendums on gay marriage all going against
i think a majority of americans do not believe that america has anything to apologize for...a majority of americans know a terrorist when they see one, whether he looks like obl or tim mcveigh...a majority of americans prefer plain talk--call terrorism what it is and not "man caused disasters"...a majority of americans willingly and faithfully pay taxes every year but think the government should be held accountable for how it spends our tax dollars...a majority of americans believe in free enterprise, which means failure as well as success...a majority of americans do not believe that government should solve our problems or even can...a majority of americans believe in the democratic process even when it doesn't go their way
it's all pretty simple stuff
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apogee
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Apr 14, 2009 - 07:36pm PT
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"actually, i think the gop needs to return to its core values, primarily fiscal responsibility..."
Does this mean you favor returning to true conservative core values, i.e. pre-Reagan, pre-Religious Right? The true Conservative values were hijacked by the RR back in the late 70's. Ready to go that far back? If so, I just might be there with you.
"i do believe that socially, the country is slightly right, hence 30 statewide referendums on gay marriage all going against"
We'll see about that- it ain't over till it's over. When an iconic GOP state like Iowa goes in favor of gay marriage, the issue is anything but settled. Those who staunchly oppose gay marriage are getting and dying, and the newer generations are far less opposed.
"it's all pretty simple stuff"
That last long paragraph is not a particularly specific listing of ways that the GOP could win- if it really was 'pretty simple stuff', then why has the GOP failed so miserably?
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Apr 14, 2009 - 07:59pm PT
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This is what the GOP is up against. WHAT CAN THEY DO ??
Americans More Optimistic; Still Hate GOP
The latest New York Times poll is loaded with good news for the Obama administration and news that would be devastating for the GOP if it were ever able to penetrate the conservative-media echo chamber. While the public is still pretty pessimistic about the future, it's considerably less so than it was before Barack Obama took office. Thirty-nine percent of respondents in the Times poll think the country is going in the right direction and 53 percent say the wrong direction, a substantial improvement from January, when the numbers were 15 and 79, respectively. Similarly, 20 percent of those polled think the economy is getting better and 34 percent worse, versus 7 and 54 in January.
But it's the political numbers that are truly striking. Obama has a 66 percent approval rating, which is the highest this poll has recorded, while the GOP's favorability is at 31 percent, the lowest the poll has recorded in 25 years of asking the question. Arguably more remarkable still is that, asked whether Obama or the GOP Congress would be more likely to make "the right decisions about the nation's economy," respondents broke for Obama 63 percent to 20 percent. That means that even within the 31 percent rump that holds a positive view of the GOP, at least a third trust Obama's instincts on the economy equally or more. And why shouldn't they? Despite Rush Limbaugh's best efforts just 2 percent of respondents blame Obama for the state of the economy, compared to 33 percent who blame George W. Bush. (Wall Street and Congress come in for 21 and 11 percent, respectively.)
The Democratic Party, while not as popular as its leader, is still pretty popular, with 56 percent favorability. Moreover, 19 percent fewer respondents think the Democrats are too heavily influenced by "big business" than feel the Republicans are, and the Dems have a massive 35-point edge on the question of "which party is more concerned with the needs and problems of people like yourself." The poll also gives the Dems a 16-point edge in respondent self-identification, up from 10 points in February, and just a tick off the inaugural high of 18 points. (Without sifting through the figures too obsessively, this looks like the largest edge since 1992.)
There's more along these lines on taxes (74 percent of respondents think raising them on those earning over $250K is a "good idea"), health care (57 percent say they're willing to pay higher taxes themselves for universal coverage), foreign policy, and the like. The usual caveats all apply, of course--it's just one poll (though others seem to generally conform), public sentiment is volatile, etc., etc. Still, I encourage anyone interested to give the whole poll a look.
--Christopher Orr
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TGT
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So Cal
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Apr 14, 2009 - 08:25pm PT
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Went into Turner's today. It was on the way home and I'd figured they might have Seamgrip or Aquaseal as well as some 22 and 9mm ammo for plinkin.
The place was bare. If you could shoot it they were sold out.
Only a couple of dirty harry style 12" barrel revolvers in the display case, only a few trap style shotguns and oddball caliber bolt action rifles on the shelf. No pistol powder or primers either.
This in peacefull suburbia.
Yep he's popular!
No Seamgrip either.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Apr 14, 2009 - 08:32pm PT
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Went to two WallMarts today and three independent gun shops.
No ammo, none, for my Glock 40 or Kahr 9mm.
Irrational fear that Obama is going to come to their houses and take away their guns and ammo.
Hatred, ignorance,fear. All fueled by right wing talking heads.
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bookworm
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Falls Church, VA
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Apr 15, 2009 - 09:06am PT
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doesn't obama rehearse his speeches (or even read them)? how hard is it for the smartest man to ever run for president (and who feels so passionately about democracy) to remember the slogan from the french revolution...while giving a speech on unity, of which the slogan is a key component, in france to an audience of french people?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LOy66WYXqaQ
and he doesn't even have the wherewithal to clear his throat or maybe re-emphasize the idea of equality, but instead stands there frozen in position like a deer in the headlights
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Apr 15, 2009 - 10:18am PT
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Yeah Bookworm, we know you f*#king love to hate Obama and cut him down every chance you get. We get that.
Well get used to having a stupid President for the next eight years. Get used to seeing him on the news every day saying stupid things that piss you off. He IS a moron, he has a hidden agenda, he just wants to hurt our beloved America, he is a "socialist",
he really was not born in the USA, he really is a secret muslim.
He is a stupid piece of sh#t human being, plus he wants to take away our guns. There go our precious freedoms!
You can copy this and paste it everyday, all day as your reply to every political thread. This will save you a lot of time to use looking up Obama failings to bring to our attention.
We get it, your disgust with all things "liberal" is unlimited.
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bookworm
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Falls Church, VA
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Apr 15, 2009 - 04:33pm PT
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let's see if i understand this correctly...we have been developing a missile defense system for many years; despite legitimate criticism, the technology has performed well enough to warrant pursuing...obama does not think we should spend money on the system partly because he says the technology can't/won't/doesn't work...north korea announces a long-range missile launch, that is, they announce they will violate un resolutions...this provides a perfect opportunity to test the missile defense technology, a real-life real time test to determine whether we should continue to pursue such a defense system...but obama refuses to because he doesn't want to provoke north korea and possibly disrupt "talks" that have been ongoing for decades with absolutely no results?
http://washingtontimes.com/news/2009/apr/15/us-failed-to-use-best-radar-for-n-korea-missile/print/
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HighDesertDJ
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Arid-zona
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Apr 15, 2009 - 05:36pm PT
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"let's see if i understand this correctly...we have been developing a missile defense system for many years; despite legitimate criticism, the technology has performed well enough to warrant pursuing...obama does not think we should spend money on the system partly because he says the technology can't/won't/doesn't work...north korea announces a long-range missile launch, that is, they announce they will violate un resolutions...this provides a perfect opportunity to test the missile defense technology, a real-life real time test to determine whether we should continue to pursue such a defense system...but obama refuses to because he doesn't want to provoke north korea and possibly disrupt "talks" that have been ongoing for decades with absolutely no results? "
Why don't you mail some teabags about it.
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bookworm
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Falls Church, VA
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Apr 15, 2009 - 07:25pm PT
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"Shooting a North Korean missle out the air, starting a war with N. Korea, having the Russians and China support N. Korea in their struggle"
dr. f, your problem is that you don't read; the technology that the navy wanted to test on the noko missile launch was radar tracking NOT weapons; you would understand that if you actually read the article instead of just spewing...see, you need radar that works in order to have missiles that can shoot down enemy missiles (not to mention the other uses for radar)...tracking a missile launch that defies un resolutions is NOT provocative; in fact, it's entirely sensible especially if that missile is launched by a rabidly dictatorial regime like noko's
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Apr 15, 2009 - 11:00pm PT
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POST ONLY WHAT SUPPORTS YOUR BIAS, RIGHT GUYS?
EXCEPT THE TRUTH HAS A PUSSY WEAKASS LIBERAL BIAS. DEAL WITH IT.
07.04.2009
Americans More Optimistic; Still Hate GOP
The latest New York Times poll is loaded with good news for the Obama administration and news that would be devastating for the GOP if it were ever able to penetrate the conservative-media echo chamber. While the public is still pretty pessimistic about the future, it's considerably less so than it was before Barack Obama took office. Thirty-nine percent of respondents in the Times poll think the country is going in the right direction and 53 percent say the wrong direction, a substantial improvement from January, when the numbers were 15 and 79, respectively. Similarly, 20 percent of those polled think the economy is getting better and 34 percent worse, versus 7 and 54 in January.
But it's the political numbers that are truly striking. Obama has a 66 percent approval rating, which is the highest this poll has recorded, while the GOP's favorability is at 31 percent, the lowest the poll has recorded in 25 years of asking the question. Arguably more remarkable still is that, asked whether Obama or the GOP Congress would be more likely to make "the right decisions about the nation's economy," respondents broke for Obama 63 percent to 20 percent. That means that even within the 31 percent rump that holds a positive view of the GOP, at least a third trust Obama's instincts on the economy equally or more. And why shouldn't they? Despite Rush Limbaugh's best efforts just 2 percent of respondents blame Obama for the state of the economy, compared to 33 percent who blame George W. Bush. (Wall Street and Congress come in for 21 and 11 percent, respectively.)
The Democratic Party, while not as popular as its leader, is still pretty popular, with 56 percent favorability. Moreover, 19 percent fewer respondents think the Democrats are too heavily influenced by "big business" than feel the Republicans are, and the Dems have a massive 35-point edge on the question of "which party is more concerned with the needs and problems of people like yourself." The poll also gives the Dems a 16-point edge in respondent self-identification, up from 10 points in February, and just a tick off the inaugural high of 18 points. (Without sifting through the figures too obsessively, this looks like the largest edge since 1992.)
There's more along these lines on taxes (74 percent of respondents think raising them on those earning over $250K is a "good idea"), health care (57 percent say they're willing to pay higher taxes themselves for universal coverage), foreign policy, and the like. The usual caveats all apply, of course--it's just one poll (though others seem to generally conform), public sentiment is volatile, etc., etc. Still, I encourage anyone interested to give the whole poll a look.
--Christopher Orr
Posted: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 12:11 PM with 15 comment(s)
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dirtbag
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Apr 16, 2009 - 02:40pm PT
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From the Faux News link:
"Director of National Intelligence Dennis C. Blair admitted Thursday that the NSA made mistakes and intercepted the wrong communications. But he emphasized the number of errors is small to the overall collection efforts and that each error is investigated, leading to corrective measures to prevent reoccurrences."
When did the Bush Administration ever admit that it wrongly engaged in these kinds of activities?
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dirtbag
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Apr 16, 2009 - 02:52pm PT
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You're so clueless, skip.
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dirtbag
climber
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Apr 16, 2009 - 03:44pm PT
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Because you provided nothing.
You said in the other thread "Now he is even calling his political opponents "terrorists." Something he won't even call those that actually claim they are doing so. "
He never said such a thing or even anything close to that and you still provided nothing that supported your statement. Rather than reading the actual language (I did) in the report, your provided a columnist's (Debra Saunder's--ack) take on it.
Here is what you quoted from the column:
"The "right-wing" document, however, targeted, not activities, but political thought -- opposition to abortion, immigration amnesty and gun laws. While the "left-wing" assessment reported on known criminal activities, the "right-wing" document started with the acknowledgment that Department of Homeland Security intelligence "has no specific information that domestic rightwing terrorists are currently planning acts of violence." (The italics are mine.) Then: "The economic downturn and the election of the first African American president present unique drivers for right-wing radicalization and recruitment."
Funny how Saunders doesn't mention the actual harrassment of anti war protestors (we know what a violent bunch they are) during the last administration or the "do not fly list" that was wildly inconsistent, but hey, that's just past stuff I suppose.
Here is an indirect link to the DHS report.
http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/04/14/politics/politicalhotsheet/entry4944701.shtml
(I can't find a direct link to it, but it is there in the text.)
Bad Memo? Perhaps. (And BTW, it was actually begun under the last admin.) But it is not half as lame as the hyperbole about it being spewed from the right. And the truth is that right wing extremism has killed many more Americans domesitically than left-wing extremism, many holding those beliefs (Eric Rudolph, KKK, Aryan Nations, McVeigh, militias, etc.). And I think getting ahead of this rather than reacting to the problem is a good thing.
So no Skip, you didn't provide sh#t.
BTW, the Constitution provides for income taxes, so once again you are wrong about due process violations you mentioned in the other thread. Whines about very modest hikes in progressive taxation--and I actually pay more than most people--are so selfish and tiresome. So cry me a river.
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dirtbag
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Apr 16, 2009 - 05:07pm PT
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Yeah Bookworm. The Bush Admin never improperly wiretapped people. LOL!!!
Too funny.
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