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dirtineye
Trad climber
the south
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Mar 22, 2009 - 10:22pm PT
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Lois, haha yes that dick and jane updates was pretty damned funny! I can be pretty good once in a while I must say.
And I DO have a lot of republican friends, misguided though they are, and sadly, tehy still think it is teh party of , dole, eisenhower, adn other good moderate conservatives who were willing to work to do things liek pass the clean ari adn water act.
Unfortunately the hard liners who got control adn totally messed up the party, but a lot still don't know or can't believe it-- adn what they have done.
But anyway, thanks Lois.
ANdthenon to Jeff, teh lexan pee man, hehe.
I am so sorry you got sick on the plane. UGH I hate that aspect of flying. hope you do get better soon.
If I can I'll be out for a visit, and the bad litle mormon girl lives just 4 hours away, so maybe we can get her to party wiht two half past dead guys, LOL.
Truly Jeff, you were again the nicest person I thin kI ever met, that taht includes a lot of nice people. To have done so much, you of all people woudl be entitled to the "Big Head" syndrome that afflicts some top climbers adn indeed it happens in every walk of life-- but that attitude never does anyone any good, and you just don';t seem to care about your accomplishments at all, rahter, you are just a decent friendly guy that anyone woudl be proud to call their friend. I don;t think there is any higher accolade to give than that.
So happy we got to meet again and so sorry you and I are in the shitter, when we shoulc be climbing stuff together. of course you'd have to drag me up a few things LOL! and cold? FORGET COLD!! I used to contemplate moutaineering, had a little of the clothign already, had teh friends who are avid mountaineers, had an in with Brad Johnson in the cordillera blanca, but then I was reading boorkreve's book about everest 96, and got to the part wher ehe said " it was 40 below last night", and I thought to myself, hmmmm I can't stand 40 above, what am I going to do at 40 below???? and right there I knew mountaineering was NOT for me, hahaha!
Anyway, if all goes well we will meet again BEFORE death intervenes, and I'm sure it will be a blast.
My family really enjoyed your company. I had told them to prepare to meet one of the nicest people ever, and they agreed that you were indded just that.
Later,
Curt
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Curt
Boulder climber
Gilbert, AZ
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Mar 22, 2009 - 10:53pm PT
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Hey Curt,
I don't post all that often over here at ST, and hence somehow missed this thread. It was great meeting you out at JT and comparing notes over the years on various single malt beverages. I'm glad you liked the Edradour. I'm terribly sorry to hear this news because last time we spoke, you were doing pretty well, as I recall. You certainly have Lisa's and my best wishes.
The other "Curt"
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ontos
Boulder climber
Washington DC
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Mar 22, 2009 - 11:26pm PT
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Dirt,
I just lurk here, but have been following your situation. You're a hell of a guy; I wish you all the best and most of all that you can keep your sense of humor. Without that we aren't much. This life can be damn hard, but if we can still smile in the face of troubles, it's not nearly so hard.
Best,
Patrick
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Mar 23, 2009 - 12:19am PT
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""irrascible curmudgeon""
Oh say it isn't so!!??
;-)
"having your true love dump you in a rather mean way right when you need em the most is almost worse than death, it sure hurt more, but you can at least get over that in time. I guess you cna get over just about anything with enough time as long as you don't do anything permanently stupid."
I know what you're saying here but that's what makes it the most powerful opportunity for inner medicine. Forgiving that would mean choosing Love over all else.
Choosing Love like that is the most powerful medicine for Life or Death that there is. Having a big pill to swallow makes the magic work. Happily and sadly, I've taken this medicine myself. It's only the first big gulp that's tough and then you feel high, high, high.
And we could debate all day about God or no God, but Love itself is what really moves us. Choosing it over any negativity completely purges the heart and then you can face anything.
I've never liked fire and brimstone talk, but you want to avoid hell just in case, cause you know it's loaded with Republicans ;-)
Anyway, I hope you'll forgive my little sermon for starters as I keep the Dirt candle burning here on Supertopo.
Much Love
Baba
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dougs510
Social climber
down south
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Mar 23, 2009 - 01:36am PT
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Hi Curt,
Hope your pain is easing and your finding peace this evening. I thought I'd share an experience I had today which might help us all find some comfort with this situation your currently in, but we all eventually find.
My parents passed away 7 years ago, and I frequently go to the graveyard to visit and talk. It has helped me find peace. Today, I laid where my spot is, next to my Dad, and close my eyes. I'll tell you what, he sure knew how to pick a cool spot, because it is the most PEACEFUL thing to lie there next to him, with my Mom and Brother a couple of spots over. I think I'll get the spots next to me for my Daughters.
Anyhow, I'm not really sure how this fits in, but I just wanted to share because if death is anything like the peace I felt today, it will be a really good experience for all of us.
Stay in touch brother,
Doug
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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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Mar 23, 2009 - 04:55am PT
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hey there ol' dirtineye, curt... say, i always try to check in... hmmm, i reckon i am being too polite, waiting for you to post...
say, i will chat when ever you post up...
i have had my own hard time, just due to no work is all... but i am used to that... i go with out food a lot more and give it to my critters...
so at times, i end up being kind of tired... ahaha... ..
well, i am enjoying my new pup-dog, she is wroking out really good... a really good pup... 8 months.. but kind of big, i reckon.. part lab and part sharpei... she wrinkles up her face really funny!...
well, since i dont hve the work, i ahve been fixing my book edits more and more..
hard at tiesm , as i type all backwards and have to fix it... i am too tired to fix it all now.. :)
say, i was hoping that perahps you geetting fresh good ol water, maybe you'd be feeling better... soryy that the pain is still there...
in the long run, it is best when one knows their time is around the bend, as you have noticed, you learn how to 'walk the road'... but it is still sad to leave folks you love... one must remember, while praying, that there is a HOST of a lot more folks to love and relate to, in another rhelme...
may you have good days these weeks... i am still praying.. so god is moving, curt... we just dont know what his plan is for your 'tilling your field' ... but i pray that the timeing is not bad, and that the fruits of all your days, will be wonderful fruit that you can be so proud of...
sending my love and say, jello says you got neat paretnts.. aww, dirt, that is wonderf...
l;ove, from ol neebee...
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Norwegian
Trad climber
Placerville, California
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Mar 23, 2009 - 11:48am PT
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hope your thriving.
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dirtineye
Trad climber
the south
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Mar 24, 2009 - 06:18am PT
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Karl wrote:
"And we could debate all day about God or no God, but Love itself is what really moves us. Choosing it over any negativity completely purges the heart and then you can face anything. "
Wel gee karl, yeah I think you have something there.
I said before as death gets closer it gets easier to be less negative and more forgiving... except for rethuglican shills of course...
But really Karl, when did you take such an interest in me? took me by suprise it did. not that I mind or would complain. I do admire your work and a good bit of your thinking.
Neebster, thanks so much for all teh sappy support. the world needs more sap. sappy is a wrongheaded way to say good and kind I think, created by people who were uncomfortable with the honest truth...
Doug, why don't you come down for a visit? or come to the BSF on the 30, 1,2,3 of maay? If at all able I will be there. not good for anything but sitting in cap haha, but I'll be there along with a few pals and Mr Noffsinger.
Other curt, yeah I really enjoyed meeting you at Jtree, have to say the tip on edradour was stellar. wish we could meet again. you are one of these really nice guys who seem to abound in climbing, along with all those escapees from teh mental hospitals.
Ontos and norwegian, thanks for your kind thoughts. they all help.
We planted lettuce adn onions in oour new compost today, man it looks great!!!!!!! After 30 years, I almost have my parent's veg/flower garden how it was supposed to be, LOL. yeah I procrastinate. Besides it had to evolve or something.
IF your city has a compost project, use it. if they don't try to get one started--cause the city of mntn brook MAKES money on stuff they woudl haveto throw in landfill or burn or something, but they turn it into compost for almost free and sell every bit every year, and get this, OTHER cities in teh area PAY to haul thier leave to MB for composting instead of doing it themselves becasu3 they think it COSTS money to have such a program. Hmmmmmmm...
that's one public works project with nothing but benefit all round, and green as can be, adn teh end product takes what's seen as waste adn makes it valuable and useful. I don't see why ANYONE disposes of leaves or burns em, when this is a proven money maker.
165 bucks for 9 cubic yards delivered, hard to beat that. can't wait to see yhow it does!
Curt
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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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Mar 24, 2009 - 09:03am PT
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hey there ol' dirtineye... say, i'll take sappy, sounds good to me... anything from tree, has good stable roots of being an honorable thing to be called... say, sap even sticks and follows one allllll day long... and it, when you try to ignore it, why it glistens in the sun and catches your attention...
heehee... :)
welll, now, say... as to the garden and compost, dirt (dirt, meaning i am addressing you by name, not mentioning the "soil"), well, my mom taught me to do compost.. and i love to garden..
have no time or money or place to plant at now... but someday again i will...
love to hear about the garden... thanks for the share...
say, dirt, have you ever seen the urban stink-fungus (forgot its name, i will post it later)... my mom found it one day in her compost for the flowers, not the garden...
it was so freaky looking, she had us all check it out... (smells and attracks flies)... there was a post here at supertop about it, too...
red, and looks like a starfish on a small stalk...
well, all for now.. i been up alllllll night... and i am cold and tired...
god bless dirt, have some enjoyment tomorrow, in the yard, and the greatoutdoors... and when you go past a mirror, no matter how much the day may hurt:
SMILE at yourself and love yourself.... 'cause:
someone "sappy" is "rooting" for you!
god bless!
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Mar 24, 2009 - 09:57am PT
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The Dirt Says
"I said before as death gets closer it gets easier to be less negative and more forgiving... except for rethuglican shills of course...
But really Karl, when did you take such an interest in me? took me by suprise it did. not that I mind or would complain. I do admire your work and a good bit of your thinking."
Maybe it's a mystery, but if I have to put concepts to it, think of it like this:
Imagine you are a climber relaxing at the pub one night and you hear a brother climber is stuck suffering on some epic without the right gear. If you think you are in a position to help, if you have an inkling that the bro is doing his best to hang on until the story plays out, then perhaps you're inspired to grab some gear and a few other bros and head out and see what can be done. You care.
And as much as the subject of spirituality and healing the wounds of the heart is regarded by many as uncharted territory, there are those of us who know within ourselves that we have a good idea how to help the comrade get through the storm.
I have no desire to be or seem patronizing, but simply feel it within me to stand by you.
"Neebster, thanks so much for all teh sappy support. the world needs more sap. sappy is a wrongheaded way to say good and kind I think, created by people who were uncomfortable with the honest truth..."
That's a fine insight Dirt. This is a parallel truth to the lack of forgiveness of others and ourselves that separates us for inner peace. We are unconfortable with the vulnerability that comes with caring and love so we call it "Sappy" and make ourselves just a little more cold.
Even those with nothing to lose can make the mistake of hanging on to the safety of numbness.
I'm glad that you are looking at those choices and eyeing making a heroic exit that leaves the pettiness behind.
Much love
Baba
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dirtineye
Trad climber
the south
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Mar 24, 2009 - 06:58pm PT
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Karl, I never thought you were being patronizing or condescending. thanks for all your thoughts nad helpful insights.
Neebster, keep teh sap flowing, by all means.
Lois, Compsot os MUCH better than soil, no matter what sort of sol it is. adn that prices was delivery included, so, it's better than anything excpt free elephant maure from teh zo, and since the zoo does not give that stuff away any more ( botanical gardens takes it all) the only other way is making your own compost, and we need to cover 50' x 70' every years about 6-8 inches deep, and even with all our leaves and everything else, there's no way we have that much.
Now in your situation, here's what I would do: get yourself some pygmy elephants from borneo, at least three, and potty train them to dump where needed. I figure you ahve enough acreage to give em room to do thier thing and be happy, and the only drawback wil lbe you need a serious fence, but you would stop bambi with the same fence, so, it's a deal even thoguh the elephant proof fence would be expensive. at least your trees and veggies will be safe, unless your elephannts decide it's THIER garden, haha.
But as the elephant is the rethuglican symbol, I am you you will feel somewhat obligated to offer a few refugees a home.
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Ottawa Doug
Social climber
Ottawa, Canada
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Mar 24, 2009 - 09:26pm PT
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Dirt, Karl, Neebee, Dougs5:10, Norwegian, LEB....you are all good people writing heartfelt,great stuff. Thanks from Ottawa Doug the 'lurker' here.
Best wishes to all.
Doug
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Mighty Hiker
Social climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Mar 24, 2009 - 10:24pm PT
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Well, Curt, I hope you're doing as well as might be. Here's a garden/compost story for you.
My mother was an elementary school librarian, and a fanatic gardener. After she retired, she got quite involved in gardening groups, and eventually worm composting. She started giving talks for the city and the gardeners on worm composting, and as part of it dressed up in a costume as "The Red Wriggler". Very entertaining, as she liked story telling.
As we said, you can take the teacher out of the school, but...
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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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Mar 25, 2009 - 12:01am PT
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hey there say, dirt, as to compost... i am hot of the trail of the fungus picture.. i will be right back... with the link...
also---this is a fringe benefit of compost that just CANT be beat!....
after my first few days of compost in my itty bitty place that i used to rent near the edge of some woods... i took a nice morning peek out of my window andddddddddddddddddddd
my ol' compost pile was full of wonderful TURKEYS!...
WOW, THEY WERE HAVING a regular breakfast-style picnic...
sure was wonderful to see them, being that in calif, where i was after my divorce (after texas, which was even after calif, originally), i was in the city and saw none such great fun!
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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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Mar 25, 2009 - 12:13am PT
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hey there dirt... okay here it is... found in her flower garden mulch, not her compost/veg pile, in back...
here is the link and it actually started in austrailia they said, but this is what she found, it now is in n. calif, too.:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asero%C3%AB_rubra
say, dirtineye, say, not only do you do music, but i am happy to enjoy your garden stuff...
hope you had some kind of a nice day, outside... say, as spring will be coming, how IS it down there where you are... it is near spring-like yet or not.... ?
up here, it sure aint ... but i think my mom has had some nice days, but she is in san jose... calif...
lastly,
hey there, say, doug the lurker... say, nice to hear from you... we, in turn, are being the happy recipricants of dirt's garden share now....
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Mar 25, 2009 - 12:27am PT
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Who would have guessed that Dirt actually had such expertise in ..well..Dirt!
Literally and figuratively, "Dirt!"
It's not just a 4 letter word.
He even speaks good "LEB"
which goes to show the power of good medication
;-)
Karl
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Mighty Hiker
Social climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Mar 25, 2009 - 02:25am PT
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As my parents live in the city, they could compost all they wanted and not have enough to satisfy my mother's gardening ambitions. And there are no elephants (or wolves) in this area. So every spring she would enlist us to turn and spread the compost heap, and when it proved insufficient, buy steer manure from the scouts - they had an annual sale, where they'd truck in heaps of it, and sell it by the bag.
Then, when the city instituted a composting program, she'd get us to drive there and fill the back of the car with bags full of it. Gardeners definitely are different people.
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dougs510
Social climber
down south
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Mar 25, 2009 - 02:38am PT
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OK Curt... I'll be there. I'll bring a bottle of the good stuff and we'll discuss all the stuff we did and dreamed about doing.
Looking forward to it... I'll drop an email before now and then.
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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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Mar 26, 2009 - 03:30am PT
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hey there ... happy eve to you, dirtineye... bump for you...
say, i got to go sleep soon... :)
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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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Mar 26, 2009 - 03:37am PT
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hey there dirtineye... say, come morning here is a nice view for you:
from old times back... (you saw it in the my climbing skills report) but here it is again, just for you....
from lassen, from a trail through the backtrees, etc...
say, volcanic soil, sure grew a great "garden" here, huh?
HERE IT IS:
god bless... say, i just said some nighttime prayers for you, too.... take care... and have a much better morning, if you are still huring now...
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