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divad
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wmass
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Nov 13, 2008 - 07:36pm PT
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Naw, I think we just enjoyed the show.
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Dick_Lugar
Trad climber
Indiana (the other Mideast)
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Nov 13, 2008 - 07:39pm PT
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Here's what I find very disturbing about the Veep vetting and selection process, apologies if this was echoed earlier. By picking a Veep so late in the game (August right?), we only have two months to find out about this person, in this case, we never really got to know who Palin REALLy was?! I would think we need to push back the RNC and DNC dates so we can pick each Pres/Veep candidate at a minimum of 6 mos. so we can fully research who they are. Two months? Come on, we wouldn't marry somone after only 2 mos. let alone elect an unknown one heartbeat from the POTUS...scary thought!
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atchafalaya
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Babylon
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Nov 13, 2008 - 07:42pm PT
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"Perhaps the degree to which she touched raw nerves in so many is very telling"
Your right. It shows how patriotic many folks on here, and across the nation are; we dont want to see our country further f*#ked up by another incompetent neocon.
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John Moosie
climber
Beautiful California
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Nov 13, 2008 - 07:42pm PT
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"Perhaps the degree to which she touched raw nerves in so many is very telling"
Yep, a lot of people were very pissed off about how George Bush and the Repubs handled things. From allowing torture to falsifying reasons for invading Iraq to cutting Veterans help to covering up lies to exposing CIA agents to bypassing laws in order to spy on Americans to just plain arrogance. My way or the highway was the call of the republicans when they were in power.
None of which is very American in my opinion.
Is that what you meant?
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Mighty Hiker
Social climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Nov 13, 2008 - 07:45pm PT
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Bad enough that we didn't really know who Palin was. Worse still, neither did McCain or his staff - they winged it.
If the Palin fiasco raises the importance in future of picking vice-presidential nominees who are reasonably qualified to step in as president, and properly vetted, it will have been a good thing. You'd think people would have learned from the Dan Quayle experience, but apparently not. Democrats do generally seem to pick vice-presidential nominees who have the goods; Republicans sometimes don't, putting their lust for election and power ahead of the good of the country.
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Nov 13, 2008 - 07:56pm PT
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Paglia "gets it"
I like Sarah Palin, and I've heartily enjoyed her arrival on the national stage. As a career classroom teacher, I can see how smart she is -- and quite frankly, I think the people who don't see it are the stupid ones, wrapped in the fuzzy mummy-gauze of their own worn-out partisan dogma. So she doesn't speak the King's English -- big whoop! There is a powerful clarity of consciousness in her eyes. She uses language with the jumps, breaks and rippling momentum of a be-bop saxophonist. I stand on what I said (as a staunch pro-choice advocate) in my last two columns -- that Palin as a pro-life wife, mother and ambitious professional represents the next big shift in feminism. Pro-life women will save feminism by expanding it, particularly into the more traditional Third World.
As for the Democrats who sneered and howled that Palin was unprepared to be a vice-presidential nominee -- what navel-gazing hypocrisy! What protests were raised in the party or mainstream media when John Edwards, with vastly less political experience than Palin, got John Kerry's nod for veep four years ago? And Gov. Kathleen Sebelius of Kansas, for whom I lobbied to be Obama's pick and who was on everyone's short list for months, has a record indistinguishable from Palin's. Whatever knowledge deficit Palin has about the federal bureaucracy or international affairs (outside the normal purview of governors) will hopefully be remedied during the next eight years of the Obama presidencies.
The U.S. Senate as a career option? What a claustrophobic, nitpicking comedown for an energetic Alaskan -- nothing but droning committees and incestuous back-scratching. No, Sarah Palin should stick to her governorship and just hit the rubber-chicken circuit, as Richard Nixon did in his long haul back from political limbo following his California gubernatorial defeat in 1962. Step by step, the mainstream media will come around, wipe its own mud out of its eyes, and see Palin for the populist phenomenon that she is.
http://www.salon.com/opinion/paglia/2008/11/12/palin/index.html
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Mighty Hiker
Social climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Nov 13, 2008 - 08:00pm PT
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Assuming McCain was going to choose a governor, senator or perhaps congressperson as his vice-presidential candidate, and that that person was a woman, he had the following choices:
Female Republican state governors:
Sarah Palin (Alaska) 2006 -
Jodi Rell (Connecticut) 2004 -
Linda Lingle (Hawaii) 2002 -
Female Republican senators:
Lisa Murkowski (Alaska) 2002 -
Olympia Snowe (Maine) 1995 -
Susan Collins (Maine) 1995 -
Elizabeth Dole (North Carolina) 2003 -
Kay Bailey Hutchison (Texas) 1993 -
Plus there's undoubtedly a bunch of female Republican congresswomen, some with considerable experience and proven ability.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Nov 13, 2008 - 08:02pm PT
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I think we should elect her Governor of Africa.
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Scott Wayland
climber
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Nov 13, 2008 - 08:33pm PT
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TGT wrote: "As a career classroom teacher, I can see how smart she is -- and quite frankly, I think the people who don't see it are the stupid ones, wrapped in the fuzzy mummy-gauze of their own worn-out partisan dogma. So she doesn't speak the King's English -- big whoop! There is a powerful clarity of consciousness in her eyes."
Please, stay out of my school district. You sound like George Bush who looked into Putin's soul. I have never seen any candidate for vice president comport himself (herself) with such total ineptitude. She couldn't even answer a simple freakin' question about what magazines or newspapers she reads. Fer cryin' out loud!
By the way, I'm a career classroom teacher, too, and I can see how dim she is! You won't address this honestly, I'm sure, but try anyway: If she were the veep choice of the Demicats, would you be so swept up in her soulful gaze, or would you be ripping her to shreds? I would! Obama would have deserved to lose the race had he picked such a person. Drop your own "partisan gauze."
I'm not particularly attached to one party or the other. We should call BS on whichever party is doing the shoveling. Kerry was a freakin' awful choice, although I still prefered him to Bush at that point. Palin has been soundly cast aside by a long string of pretty solid conservative voices. Do your homework. Many republicans are disgusted at McCain for picking her. How do you explain away THAT partisan FACT?
But Jeez, she's sure given us a lot to rant about! Yippee!
Scott
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Largo
Sport climber
Venice, Ca
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 13, 2008 - 10:09pm PT
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Given her staunch defenders, and the annecdotal evidence against her, is this not a kind of cult of personality we have here with Palin? Is it any wonder that history shows how charismatic leaders have in some instances led the charmed and unwitting into dark waters?
It's a troubling and scary thing to see this play out on this site.
JL
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nick d
Trad climber
nm
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Nov 13, 2008 - 10:15pm PT
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If you think she's smart, I'm pretty sure you are not.
Ruthless, however, is another story.
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dirtbag
climber
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Nov 13, 2008 - 10:36pm PT
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My thoughts too.
Like I said earlier, I think we really dodged a bullet with this one.
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John Moosie
climber
Beautiful California
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Nov 13, 2008 - 10:52pm PT
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We might have dodged a bullet, but like the article you posted dirt, those folks are still out there. If we ignore them, then we could end up with another George Bush/Dick Cheney.
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dirtbag
climber
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Nov 13, 2008 - 10:54pm PT
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Yep John. It could happen again.
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MisterE
Trad climber
My Inner Nut
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Nov 13, 2008 - 11:02pm PT
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LEB:
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divad
Trad climber
wmass
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Nov 14, 2008 - 07:09am PT
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"My approval of Palin has more to do with her personality and the fact that she speaks and presents herself, much as I do."
'nuff said
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Scott Wayland
climber
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Nov 14, 2008 - 08:54am PT
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TGT: Huge apologies. But, alas, it seems you agree with her? I feel pretty good slamming a heavyweight like Paglia, although, seriously, I've got nothing against cigar-smoking lesbians. That's pretty cool in my book!
Ha!
Scott
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the Fet
Knackered climber
A bivy sack in the secret campground
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Nov 14, 2008 - 11:28am PT
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www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=palin
Palin
1. An applicant lacking even basic job skills
2. Someone supremely un-self-aware or lacking any relative sense of what he/she does or doesn't know.
HR sent me another Palin for the marketing manager job.
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