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Mike Friedrichs
Sport climber
City of Salt
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Apr 23, 2019 - 02:23pm PT
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Jim, I can't agree. I'm going to repost what I wrote in the other thread. Don't you think these things are related to climbing?
If we discuss land policies that affect climbing access are those political topics or climbing topics? If we discuss global warming, which has implications on climbing conditions and sustainability is that a political topic or a climbing topic? If we discuss social conditions that give the privileged leisure time to recreate (climb) while those who aren't in that class can't afford or don't have the time is that a political topic or a climbing topic.
We are climbers and we're also humans. We should care about social conditions that affect all of us. The lack of civic engagement is a serious problem in this country that has resulted in us having, well, Trump. We should be encouraging more civic engagement, not less.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Apr 23, 2019 - 02:39pm PT
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Mike, I will agree that politics that directly impact climbing are viable subjects for discussion but that is not the case about mist poltical threads here.
I am against censorship and I am not suggesting banning them. I just think they clutter up and dominate the forum along with other ot threads.I just wish people would show some restraint and search out other more appropriate forums although I know that is unlikely to happen.
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Steve Rathbun
climber
Outer Lurkistan
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Apr 23, 2019 - 03:04pm PT
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Q: How difficult would it be to add a tab for "Other/Clutching my pearls about something besides rocks?"
A: Not Very.
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David Knopp
Trad climber
CA
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Apr 23, 2019 - 03:08pm PT
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Steve Rathbun? Prolific Feist-Now posting under his real name? That is ballsy!
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Yeti
Trad climber
Ketchum, Idaho
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Apr 24, 2019 - 04:37pm PT
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If you don't like the rant, don't open the thread. That's a (significant) part of free expression and a free press. The definition of 'forum' is a place for discussion. Does anyone here know or know of a climber whose life has not been impacted by politics? I don't. Keep the discussion going and open, even to the wackos who vote for Trump.
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Skeptimistic
Mountain climber
La Mancha
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Apr 24, 2019 - 04:50pm PT
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Mark me as “yes” for allowing political discussions. When they digress into ad hominem attacks, those should be pruned. Pretty easy to see which thread is political. Don’t click on it if you’re not interested or offended.
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NutAgain!
Trad climber
South Pasadena, CA
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Apr 24, 2019 - 06:35pm PT
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Regulation should not be focused on topic of conversation, but rather on communication style to foster mutual respect and understanding.
An a-hole can make the forum experience unpleasant no matter what is the topic, but respectful people can have interesting and mutually beneficial conversations on any topic.
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WBraun
climber
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Apr 24, 2019 - 07:07pm PT
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Yer all ranting all the time anyways so why not.
Where ya all blew it is when you fools down voted having political and off-topic threads in a separate heading sub forum.
Off topic and politics here is like red light districts.
You people blew it because yer all ultimately
St00pid ...... :-)
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dgbryan
Mountain climber
Hong Kong
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Apr 24, 2019 - 09:16pm PT
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Chris,
I’m reprising here what many have already said.
It is your website & you have provided a fantastic resource for climbers for more than two decades - online & with the guidebooks.
What I, & I guess many, have found, is that a lot of the spin-off discussions have been both entertaining & educational - I have learned a lot. I have often made ST my start to the day & used references in something read there for further research into whatever interests me at the time.
Like you & I think many others, I find pointless invective & name-calling offensive, but I’ve learned to use the scroll button, & the nastier slagging are a bit like watching a couple of drunks trying to slug - you eye warily & circle wide.
As I say, your site & your prerogative. But the debate on ST has grown with its contributors & lurkers over the years, & personally I would miss it.
Damian
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i'm gumby dammit
Sport climber
da ow
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Apr 25, 2019 - 01:56pm PT
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Much of the gutter sniping would go away with one change. Everyone should have the courage to post as the person they actually are. No tags. Post under your actual name. anonymous posting is for cowards. When people have to take ownership of what they say they might show some restrain have you seen facebook, or comments on just about any news story where folks sign in through facebook? i'm not seeing a whole lot of restraint.
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Prezwoodz
climber
Anchorage
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Apr 25, 2019 - 05:25pm PT
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Im on the no side.
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Hubbard
climber
San Diego
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Apr 25, 2019 - 07:53pm PT
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My post was a sort of hope or guideline as a baseline for how to communicate in public and not make a fool of oneself. If they use their real name at least you know who it is when you see them at the crag. All the hiding is shallow. If a person wants to act like a fool under their real name then all power to their confidence. Maybe they don't care about consequences? At least you know who you are dealing with.
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