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bob d'antonio
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 23, 2007 - 11:34am PT
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Nice try Wes...funny when the troll doesn't know when he being trolled.
Have fun climbing and watch yourself on those 12 foot walls.
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Oli
Trad climber
Fruita, Colorado
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Jul 23, 2007 - 11:56am PT
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Werner,
The only people who are real mirrors are those who see clearly. I can't see myself in any way in Wes, because the plane on which he exists is flat and horribly distorted. Now if I were to look at Pratt, I would see myself, in all its frightening dimensions and depth, both the good and the bad. That experience always shook me into wanting to be better. It's called inspiration.
You once mentioned chess. I always found I played much better against superior opponents. There is that inspiration factor. Often I would beat some master, or a couple experts, and then against a lesser player succumb to a draw or something, because the whole experience was so lacking in inspiration, and I could hadly care. Some people by their mere presence bring everyone else down. Some just step into a room, and the kind of "energy" they radiate makes everyone a little vapid and stupid. Likewise, stand in the company of John Gill, or Tom Higins, and the light greatly improves, the beauty of the world becomes more evident, what good you have in you begins to expand within you, desirous of life. I admit I should not have said a word in reply to Wes, but sometimes in moments of weakness or fatigue I get sucked through the black hole into the world of someone like that... You seem so "together," though, youself. Not a rough edge to be found, as you offer up your playful condescensios.
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bvb
Social climber
flagstaff arizona
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Jul 23, 2007 - 12:01pm PT
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"Actually
If you really look hard you will see that weschrist is a mirror.
Everything you respond to it reflects back at your own self.
It's not that weschrist is blowing it, the responders are blowing it."
as usual, werner nails it. the artist formerly known as "wes" will disappear from this thread as soon as you start ignoring him.
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jstan
climber
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Jul 23, 2007 - 12:10pm PT
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Seems as though one is always meeting people who are primarily thinking about how to bring out the best in the people around them. They are everywhere. Pat mentions two superb examples. The only challenge is to bridge, as best one can, the time spent in between.
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Werner/bvb are close to the mark. Well to remember, however, our specie is unique for its duplicity. There are even shapechangers among us. Find the intent and you have found the source.
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bob d'antonio
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 23, 2007 - 12:17pm PT
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Werner does the same as the rest of us...his approach is just a little different.
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Oli
Trad climber
Fruita, Colorado
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Jul 23, 2007 - 12:27pm PT
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I rarely ever see what I want to see. I see what is revealed to me, moment by moment, and often it's exactly what I wish I didn't have to see. Spending a little time with Frost and Robbins, Pratt, Rearick, Kor, Gill, and others, as a young lad, I began to see and sense myself by comparison, and how bad I wanted to rise above the corrupt little twerp I clearly was, to strengthen the better tendencies within myself... My parents didn't teach me integrity, because they made the mistake of thinking I would have it, as did they. I had to learn it, though, every step of the way, and I still work at it, sometimes fail, but keep trying. I owe that desire to those who were my examples of integrity, not only my parents but those climbers I was so blessed to fall in with, who were paragons of that mysterious quality. It was a little like chess. Every time I made a blunder I learned something about the game and how not to make that same move again, but the game is infinite, and we are all beginners...
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TwistedCrank
climber
Luxury rehabilitation treatment facility in Boise
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Jul 23, 2007 - 12:38pm PT
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Point made. NM. Return to your lives citizens.
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bob d'antonio
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 23, 2007 - 12:42pm PT
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Dingus wrote:I don't hang on the every word of any of you! Never did really.
Who does??
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Oli
Trad climber
Fruita, Colorado
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Jul 23, 2007 - 12:48pm PT
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No one person here at this site, of any worth, cares about a single thing you say, Wes. They realize that nothing to you is sacred. They just play the game a little with you, because it's so easy to show you how stupid you are. But something Twisted really should consider is that people in the Special Olympics are far superior beings than most (and most of the trolls here) would ever imagine. That's a fact, though it's something Wes and Twisted would never get.
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wootles
climber
Gamma Quadrant
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Jul 23, 2007 - 12:53pm PT
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TwistedCrank, I sort of find your post a little offensive.
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bvb
Social climber
flagstaff arizona
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Jul 23, 2007 - 12:58pm PT
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although this thread has utterly imploded in terms of big bobby d's original intent, it has, for me anyhow, been an utterly fascinating dialectic on the topic of internet communication -- and how easily it is for wires to get crossed on internet forums.
i've know wes for many years, and he is one of my dearest freinds. wes is a soulful dude, a deep thinker, and a man who does not write poetry -- he chooses instead, as another freind of mine once said, to live it. we all live poetry.
i've know oli -- not personally, but through his writing and filmmaking -- for well over three decades, and he is without question a seminal role model in my life. in my youth i was utterly fascinated with writing and bouldering. but when i discovered pat ament's writing it all went into hyperdrive. i had nerve wrack point memorized when i was 17 years old, and can still quote whole passages from memory.
i immediately attempted to mimic oli's writing style -- i still have my old journals from the mid-70's and a lot of that stuff sounds like it could have been written for a "bad ament" contest. as well, every single time i went bouldering "master of rock" weighed heavily on my mind. without ever having met the dudes, i was a full-blown ament/gill groupie, and proud of it.
so, how is it that two people i so admire can be going at it on the fukking inTARDweb, with no end in sight? i really have no idea what either of you guys are up to.
the really amazing thing about what i've read here in this thread is this: i know for a fact that if weschrist and oli were to meet around a campfire, knowing nothing of the other, inside of 15 minutes they'd probably be so deeply embroiled in conversation that the rest of the world would cease to exist.
people are so...i dunno.
go figure.
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bob d'antonio
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 23, 2007 - 01:11pm PT
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Wes...what do you think of these (lycra)? Notice the thick head of hair in each photo. Early to mid 30's.
Sorry you loss (hair) your at such an early age.
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Blowboarder
Boulder climber
Back in the mix
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Jul 23, 2007 - 01:19pm PT
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wes, I call bullsh#t, you did not get banned at b.com. You claimed on the utah bb that you were "taking a break" from b.com as a personal choice.
For everyone else, more lube will prevent such chafing butthurtness.
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bob d'antonio
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 23, 2007 - 01:19pm PT
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5.7...somewhere in CO.
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Blowboarder
Boulder climber
Back in the mix
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Jul 23, 2007 - 02:49pm PT
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Plus a couple of them have actually climbed something prouder than an oversize pebble, making their accomplishments that much prouder and easier to poke fun at.
Is sepiku like bukkake?
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seamus mcshane
climber
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Jul 23, 2007 - 05:59pm PT
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Weschrist and Steph Davis forever!!!
Part 2, I just want to say FOAD.
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philo
Trad climber
boulder, co.
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Jul 23, 2007 - 08:26pm PT
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Sorry bvb but I call B.S. on your post.
WussCrass does not have the intellectual ammunition to hold a meaningful discussion with the likes of Oli. And his crass disrespect for anything besides himself would be clear to Oli and he would keep his distance.
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philo
Trad climber
boulder, co.
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Jul 23, 2007 - 08:49pm PT
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WussCrass I know your type too well. Stepping on cockroaches is one of my favorite sports. Care to play piss ant?
Understand Wussie that if you insist on spewing your bouldering crash pad fag bile on others you will never hear the end of it from me. Yeah I am ticked off. Why don't you crawl back under the rock you came from or at least stop being such a prick!
You don't like historical reminiscing fine just shut your pie hole.
Oh and you are doing such a fine job of making friends and influencing people here at the Taco Stand your mommy must be so proud.
I know you could impress us all by practicing simultaneous sepiku and bukake. Need a spot big boy?
What are you the only one permitted to sh#t on those you don't know? I thought you made this "open season"
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bvb
Social climber
flagstaff arizona
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Jul 23, 2007 - 08:55pm PT
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philo, i'm not into pissing matches these days. it's not a mindful way of living, and i'm working hard to change the way my mind perceives the world.
and really, if internet forums raise so much anger in you, maybe you need to give that some thought.
because.....
it ain't.
and you're dead wrong about wes. he's a good guy.
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bob d'antonio
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 23, 2007 - 09:09pm PT
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BVB wrote:it ain't.
and you're dead wrong about wes. he's a good guy.
I can't wait to meet the little sh#t in person.
What he really is two-faced. All he had to do take his own advice and skip over and ingore any comment on this thread.
Instead he pulled a Lox. Lox and Wes...internet twins.
I am sick of people as using the "internet" to justity any and every action. This is a climbing site and most people on are only seperated by one or two degrees.
WTF ever happened to mutual respect??
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