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BASE104
Social climber
An Oil Field
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Dec 25, 2018 - 10:45am PT
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What a load of self indulgent crap. You have to be a white American to complain like she does.
A lot of us old farts knew Lucy and Virginia Parker, who were natives living in the valley. Virginia has passed away, but Lucy is probably still there, and is Lonnie’s mother.
They both liked climbers. An activity like climbing has absolutely no meaning. It neither gives or takes anything from others. The writer attaches too much meaning to acts which have no meaning in her sense.
“Toxic Masculinity”?
Does she want us to hand in our testes?
Soloing has always brought out the Elmer Gantries. It is also meaningless. A private act. Nobody can say why people do it. I used to solo all of the time. Nobody cared, and it has been all forgotten.
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BASE104
Social climber
An Oil Field
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Dec 25, 2018 - 12:01pm PT
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Werner was correct. This was just one climb, and people draw all sorts of crazy conclusions.
Let’s all start a men’s only club to celebrate our gonads.
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Bad Climber
Trad climber
The Lawless Border Regions
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Dec 25, 2018 - 01:45pm PT
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As a toxic, white male, I'll say there has been some interesting junk on this thread, so that makes the OP linked article worthwhile, although I think Rankin nailed it re. the source and nature of modern, toxic universities. I think it's VERY important to acknowledge the skill and achievement of all athletes first. But let's face it, amongst ourselves, men and women will frequently comment on the relative "hotness" of the opposite sex. We can do it in a reasonable and unreasonable way, and context matters. I don't think such comments should always be forbidden. We all like it when people acknowledge that we look good, yes? And here's an interesting twist. While probably not universal, I've heard often enough from older women that they really miss the occasional whistle or random comment on their looks, and it's a strange moment when you realize that, well, younger women/men just don't "see" you anymore, so there's a good chance that attractive, high-performing mountain biker will long for the days when some guy on the side of the trail says, "You're pretty!" Personally, I can't say I've ever had the pleasure of such a comment, regardless of how gorgeous I may actually be. Have you seen the ripped rodent arms on my avatar? I'm yoked, bro.
BAd
Edit: @Antichrist: Well played.
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August West
Trad climber
Where the wind blows strange
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Dec 25, 2018 - 05:14pm PT
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Soloing has always brought out the Elmer Gantries. It is also meaningless. A private act. Nobody can say why people do it. I used to solo all of the time. Nobody cared, and it has been all forgotten.
Absolutely. I can't think of a more perfect example of a private act that is soon to be forgotten than a movie of Alex free soloing ElCap.
And it's pretty clear nobody cares about it.
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David Knopp
Trad climber
CA
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Dec 25, 2018 - 05:24pm PT
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Moose are you sure they didn't say
Nice, ass!
See what i did there?
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Bad Climber
Trad climber
The Lawless Border Regions
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Dec 26, 2018 - 10:11am PT
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Nice one, Moosey.
Just recalled my toxic masculinity flaring. My wife and I were doing a little 3 pitch 5.9 sport rig at Red Rocks a few months ago, and a young couple of women were on the route as we got down. The belayer yelled up to her partner leading and said: "Nice ass!" I chimed in with a hearty agreement. Everyone laughed. They continued up their climb. No one was offended, and the world continued to rotate appropriately. What's wrong with this picture?
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capseeboy
Social climber
portland, oregon
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Dec 26, 2018 - 10:36am PT
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A very hot female exuding her sexual radiance, femininity and confidence, walking toward me with her man arm and arm with her, and beaming a huge smile and locking eyes with me really made my day. I almost got a woody before turning my eyes away---feeling embarrassed. Thank you Lord, I guess I am still alive after all. Me withered, old, crusty of a shell of a once youthful vibrating wave functioning form. This young vibrant goddess, strong in her person, not ashamed, nor sex shaming old geezer me. LOL It was a good day to feel alive once again!
Edit: locking eyes, feel alive
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jstan
climber
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Dec 26, 2018 - 05:06pm PT
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julia_F._Parker
Wiki seems to indicate Julia Parker is still there. A few years ago she gave the invocation at Facelift. Many generations of people who all appreciated Yosemite were thus joined.
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Tarbuster
climber
right here, right now
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Dec 27, 2018 - 08:08am PT
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Toxic masculinity, no doubt.
Erin should perhaps instead consort with hobbits and elves!
Gandalf:
It is in men we must place our hope.
Elrond:
Men? Men are weak! The race of men is failing … It is because of men the rings survives! … I was there the day the strength of men failed … There is no strength left in the world of men. They're scattered, divided, leaderless.
The strength of men, Lord of the Rings
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Ultimately, it's not just about the failings of men, but it's about humanity.
Warning: the language below drifts at two or three points beyond the family-hour compliance to which this forum currently subscribes. If anyone is offended, rather than complaining to the moderators, please contact me here and I will take down this post, in order to keep this thread afloat. Thank you.
Margaret:
So I was taught that I should come to New York, become an independent woman. And my Prince would come, and he would be: an agent. And he would get me a role and I would make my living waiting on tables. And I would wait, till 30, till 40, till 50. And I was taught that to be an actress, one should be fashionable. And to be fashionable, is to be androgynous. And I am androgynous not less than David Bowie himself. And they call me beautiful. And I kill with my c#&%. Isn't it fashionable? Come on, who's next? I'll take lessons. How to get into show business. Be nice to your professor. Be nice to your agent. Be nice to your audience. Be nice. How to be a woman? Want them when I want you. Or how to be free and equal. F*#k women instead of men – and you'll discover a whole kingdom of freedom. Men won't step on you anymore. WOMEN WILL. So come on, who's next. Who wants to teach me. Come on, teach me!
Margaret's blacklight monologue, Liquid Sky
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Ha ha. Liquid Sky is the name of a route I established in the Needles of California with Mike Lechlinski, and also an excellent line on North Six Shooter, Indian Creek, done by Chip Chace and Jeff Achey. There are a few others, including one at Cathedral Ledge done by Jim Surette.
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Rattlesnake Arch
Social climber
Home is where we park it
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Dec 27, 2018 - 01:37pm PT
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Liquid Sky is the name of a route I established in the Needles of California
Liquid Sky. Beautiful name, beautiful line...
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Marlow
Sport climber
OSLO
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Dec 27, 2018 - 01:44pm PT
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[Click to View YouTube Video]
Oh, let the sun beat down upon my face
And stars fill my dream
I'm a traveler of both time and space
To be where I have been
To sit with elders of the gentle race
This world has seldom seen
They talk of days for which they sit and wait
All will be revealed
Talk in song from tongues of lilting grace
Sounds caress my ear
And not a word I heard could I relate
The story was quite clear
Oh, baby, I been blind
Oh, yeah, mama, there ain't no denyin'
Oh, ooh yes, I been blind
Mama, mama, ain't no denyin', no denyin'
All I see turns to brown
As the sun burns the ground
And my eyes fill with sand
As I scan this wasted land
Try to find, try to find the way I feel
Oh, pilot of the storm who leaves no trace
Like sorts inside a dream
Leave the path that led me to that place
Yellow desert stream
Like Shangri-la beneath the summer moon
I will return again
As the dust that floats finds you
We're moving through Kashmir
Oh, father of the four winds fill my sails
Cross the sea of years
With no provision but an open face
Along the straits of fear
Oh, when I want, when I'm on my way, yeah
And my feet wear my fickle way to stay
Ooh, yeah yeah, oh, yeah yeah,
But I'm down oh, yeah yeah, oh, yeah
Yeah, but I'm down, so down
Ooh, my baby, oh, my baby
Let me take you there
Come on, oh let me take you there
Let me take you there...
Kashmir Led Zeppelin..
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Tarbuster
climber
right here, right now
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Dec 27, 2018 - 09:51pm PT
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You guys are killing me with that racket! Yo!
Dammit, now the next-door neighbor's dogs are barking, and I swear I just heard some trash cans fall over …
And I ain't talking about Marlow's stupendous (⚡) Zep cover!
That hipster evangelizing Leary, Watts, Ginsberg & Snyder stuff is deafening! Ha!
And isn't it spelled UTAW?
... or is that just some chalky sidewalk meme, leftover from the 90s.
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Tarbuster
climber
right here, right now
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Dec 28, 2018 - 07:11am PT
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Now we just need to know if those urinal fixtures are installed in the lavatory of a Zaha Hadid design. (Or maybe we don't.)
And speaking of stupendous, the organic design sensibility expressed in the Hadid buildings is really something to appreciate!
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And then this, speaking of something tangential, organicity, from AntiChrist's link just above:
Timothy Leary:
These are the old, menopausal minds. (I omitted context for maximum on-topic comic effect.)
Alan Watts:
And what we need to realize is that there can be, shall we say, a movement… a stirring among people… which can be ORGANICALLY designed instead of POLITICALLY designed. It has no boss. Yet all parts recognize each other in the same way as the cells of the body all cooperate together.
And then THIS:
Snyder:
Yes, it’s a new social structure. It’s a new social structure which follows certain kinds of historically known tribal models.
Leary:
Exactly, yeah! My historical reading of the situation is that these great, monolithic empires that developed in history: Rome, Turkey and so forth… always break down when enough people, and it’s always the young, the creative, and the minority groups drop out and go back to a tribal form.
 Whoa! If these guys were on to something, we climbers, being tribal dropouts, might just take over one day, and correct some of these toxic, patriarchal structures! (God help us, everyone.)
Here's the rest of the conversation, BTW:
https://terebess.hu/english/watts6.html
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WBraun
climber
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Dec 28, 2018 - 08:13am PT
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Moron ^^^
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capseeboy
Social climber
portland, oregon
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Dec 28, 2018 - 08:34am PT
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Now you've gone and done it---Delete.
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Tarbuster
climber
right here, right now
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Dec 28, 2018 - 09:54am PT
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Yeah, Liquid Sky is very art-house weird, and quite funny – occasionally brutal and decadent throughout.
But I'm telling you, that Margaret monologue (Anne Carlisle) is really something else and pretty darned pertinent to this thread, if you choose to interpret it accordingly.
Especially if you listen to the whole 4 1/2 minutes as excerpted above (if not the whole movie). She says she's from Connecticut, Mayflower stock. And all that stuff about being androgynous and switching from men to women, yet still being walked on, that sh#t is priceless!
And everything she's doing, from unhooking all of the neon lights, to applying her warpaint, all while delivering the monologue, that's not easy for an actor to do, not at all. Delivering lines is one thing, but doing it while manipulating things physically with the hands ups the performance demand considerably.
Heck, I think her delivery of the monologue is a tour de force and it easily rivals Kenneth Branagh's powerful delivery of Eve of Saint Crispin's Day, in Henry V!
(Though for completely different reasons.)
Kenneth Branagh Henry V Saint Crispin's Day
Liquid Sky Full Movie (heads up: graphic depictions of violence, drugs, foul language, sexual conduct, rape)
Anne Carlisle (born 1956) is an American actress, performance artist, acting teacher, author, and model.[1]
She is known for co-writing and playing both the lead female and male counterpart roles in the film Liquid Sky. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anne_Carlisle
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Tarbuster
climber
right here, right now
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Dec 28, 2018 - 04:03pm PT
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Gotta be so. Think Jack Kerouac and the Beat Generation. Including those four guys we were talking about on the previous page.
Bohemian culture. I mentioned that to Wayne Goss a while back and he heartily agreed.
Joe Fitschen covers it pretty well in his book, Going Up.
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Tarbuster
climber
right here, right now
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Dec 28, 2018 - 06:02pm PT
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Far out!
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DanaB
climber
CO
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Dec 28, 2018 - 08:25pm PT
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Daddy-o.
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