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dirtbag
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Oct 11, 2018 - 08:59am PT
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Lol, clinton. Republican Party like it’s 1999. It’s all you’ve got.
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HermitMaster
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my abode
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Oct 11, 2018 - 09:08am PT
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Lol, clinton. Republican Party like it’s 1999. It’s all you’ve got
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dirtbag
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Oct 11, 2018 - 09:13am PT
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Anyone know what Hermie is trying to say?
Yes. Black Muslim democrat. Boo!
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Trump
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Oct 11, 2018 - 09:27am PT
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Lol, clinton. Republican Party like it’s 1999. It’s all you’ve got.
It’s 2018 and all the Republican Party has got is the House, the Senate, and the Presidency, and now a conservative majority on the Supreme Court for many years to come.
You mad bro? It’s probably healthy for us to be able to lol about it.
Apogee no I don’t think they would do that if they could find a political way to avoid it.
Do you think that if the Republicans had delayed the confirmation and the Democrats had won the Senate, that the Democrats would have ever voted to confirm a conservative justice, or would we have punted it down the road and hoped for a Democratic President in 2020? What would we intelligent moral Democrats have insisted that our Democratic Senators do?
Is it as easy for us to point to our own disingenuous self-interested motivations as it is for us to point to theirs? Seems to me like we can’t even see them in ourselves.
But we seem awfully good at discounting the positive steps the other side takes as being transparently self-interested on their part, and condemning them for it, while approving of ourselves by ignoring the same kinds of things in ourselves.
I’m less concerned about what they do than I am about what I do, and the us that I most closely identify with does. And that looks to me more and more like the same thing they do. Maybe we’re all part of the same us that way.
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dirtbag
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Oct 11, 2018 - 09:53am PT
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You’re taking my statement out of context, but ok!
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EdwardT
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Retired
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Oct 11, 2018 - 09:56am PT
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monolith
Oct 11, 2018 - 09:12am PT
Anyone know what Hermie is trying to say?
He's pointing out the hypocrisy of "liberals", when one of their own (allegedly) beats a woman.
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Trump
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Oct 11, 2018 - 10:01am PT
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Sorry dirtbag. If you’ve got a more convincing argument to make than the ones that have created a Republican House, a Republican Senate, a Republican President, and a conservative majority on the Supreme Court, I’m all ears. The arguments that the Republicans have been making - the ones we laugh at as all they’ve got - have been beating us.
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monolith
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state of being
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Oct 11, 2018 - 10:11am PT
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Sorta like how dems pushed Al Franken to resign, eh Sketch?
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apogee
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Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Oct 11, 2018 - 10:21am PT
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Actually, in the scenario you suggested, I doubt that the Democrats would have been savvy enough to forestall naming another Justice for two years. It was a stretch for McConnell to do it for almost a year...I don't think the Democrats would be disciplined enough to do that for twice as long.
Trump would have named another candidate, and the Dems would fight it until they got one that was less extreme. Or the Red State Dems (Heitkamp, Manchin, etc.) would have caved and given Trump what he wanted.
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fear
Ice climber
hartford, ct
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Oct 11, 2018 - 10:22am PT
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Is it even possible to black out drinking beer? My fond memories of university life, and the random sampling of drunks in my dorm, seem to indicate other more potent libations are required.
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dirtbag
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Oct 11, 2018 - 10:27am PT
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Sorry dirtbag. If you’ve got a more convincing argument to make than the ones that have created a Republican House, a Republican Senate, a Republican President, and a conservative majority on the Supreme Court, I’m all ears. The arguments that the Republicans have been making - the ones we laugh at as all they’ve got - have been beating us.
I wish I did. Sorry. I have lots of thoughts, mostly unoriginal, but frankly I have no clue as to what would work. I am scared shitless that one party, elected by a minority of the electorate, is doing everything it can to permanently freeze out political opposition.
I will offer this. Democrats, and the wider American electorate, need to realize that the Republican Party has been waging a war on our democratic institutions, and we’d better quit sleepwalking and start fighting back hard and ruthlessly, or else our institutions might be forever lost.
Republican leadership does not give two shits about democracy. Obama failed to realize that fact, and that his political opponents were not operating in good faith, even when they openly stated that their goal was to crush him. We’ve been far too conciliatory.
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apogee
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Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Oct 11, 2018 - 10:36am PT
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What dirt said, plus...
For at least 20 years now, the GOP has not compromised on much of anything, while the Democrats have capitulated repeatedly. Even the more 'progressive' efforts like healthcare reform was essentially a Republican idea that is far from being truly progressive.
The net result is that politics in this country have been moved distinctly towards the right, a change so gradual that most of the loudest ranting Republicans aren't even aware of how far right they really are, historically speaking. Being equally aggressive (and potentially uncivil) is not my preferred strategy for regaining balance, but the Neville Chamberlain approach sure as hell hasn't worked worth a damn.
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dirtbag
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Oct 11, 2018 - 10:39am PT
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What apogee said.
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EdwardT
Trad climber
Retired
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Oct 11, 2018 - 10:43am PT
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monolith
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state of being
Oct 11, 2018 - 10:11am PT
Sorta like how dems pushed Al Franken to resign, eh Sketch?
They threw Franken under the bus for being crude. I guess that makes it okay to look the other way on domestic violence.
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monolith
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Oct 11, 2018 - 10:47am PT
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That's a funny interpretation, Sketch. Keep on entertaining us.
What Franken did was considered abuse towards a women by the dems, but I can see where you might think he was just being 'crude'.
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EdwardT
Trad climber
Retired
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Oct 11, 2018 - 11:27am PT
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monolith
climber
state of being
Oct 11, 2018 - 10:47am PT
That's a funny interpretation, Sketch. Keep on entertaining us.
What Franken did was considered abuse towards a women by the dems, but I can see where you might think he was just being 'crude'.
What's funny... actually it's sad... is the silence over Ellison's domestic violence.
Then again, rapist Bill Clinton is still "beloved" by the Dems.
Hypocrisy noted.
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monolith
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state of being
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Oct 11, 2018 - 11:28am PT
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The head of your party endorses child rapist Roy Moore, Sketch.
Your hypocrisy noted, Sketch.
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dirtbag
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Oct 11, 2018 - 11:36am PT
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Thanks McGuzzy. I had actually read that a few days ago and think it is spot on.
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