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rbord
Boulder climber
atlanta
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Sure, it's a broad brush. Thanks for helping to correct the specifics.
If we could identify exactly what all the factors that have led from slavery 150 years ago to white median wealth being 13 times black median wealth today, maybe we could, or could have, fixed it.
But history tells us that we wouldn't have, anyway. We would try, kicking and screaming, to deny it, or to morally validate the inequality.
What do we choose to learn, or not learn, from our history?
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Fat Dad
Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
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^^^
I thought that Op Ed piece was an astute observation. Tell his ignorant white base that other non-whites are the problem that he'll solve for them and he'll keep their misplaced loyalty.
Not sure if this has been said upthread, but not having affirmative action is affirmative action for white males.
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rbord
Boulder climber
atlanta
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c wilmot - my idea that all white people are wealthy, and all black people are poor? Huh?
Did you read what I wrote? I must have missed that part.
My idea was that the seeds of our current racial disparities in wealth - that today, 150 years after slavery ended, black median wealth is 1/13 white median wealth - go back to slavery, and that those disparities were never corrected.
That was a comment about the relationship between the two race's median wealth, and the factors behind that discrepancy, not a comment on the absolute wealth, or the distribution of wealth within the races (eg. that all whites are wealthy, or that the only reason a white person is wealthy is because of racism). I didn't even say what I thought we as a society should do to fix it or make it fair.
Is that such a mind-bendingly anathema idea for you that you can't even understand the idea that I'm actually saying, and need to mischaracterize it to yourself, and argue against a different idea?
Sorry if your idea of my idea doesn't match my idea. But strawmen are useful in their own way, I guess.
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justthemaid
climber
Jim Henson's Basement
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@Reilly... 140 is being way too generous . More like 20 words and a couple emoticons🤗😜 these days.
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Gary
Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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kingtut, good post.
And there you have it. Utterly blind to the reality in America.
If your father was Black he'd be dead.
Many years ago you all may remember the white woman from South Carolina who locked her kids in the trunk of her car and drove it into a lake drowning the kids.
She claimed the car had been stolen by some black dudes. She got found out after a couple of weeks.
A black co-worker said this proved that there was improvement in race relations in the south. "How's that?", I asked. He said, "Ten years ago they would have already lynched a couple of brothers over this."
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Marlow
Sport climber
OSLO
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At the level of presidency today:
2,6 is a vely vely vely implessive numbel...
The Bibbel is my favorite book...
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Norton
Social climber
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Fat Dad said
not having affirmative action is affirmative action for white males.
best post of this thread
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rbord
Boulder climber
atlanta
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Blahblah - great points. Wish I, or even we, had all the answers. But again, even if we did, I doubt things would be different.
Racial ancestors? Right, lots of hard work went into making the difference more a black vs white difference than a north vs south issue.
We have a shared fiction of nation, and nationality, that we enjoy adopting. It's unjust for people from other countries, of other nationalities, to illegally immigrate into the US. "We" (or was it our "national" ancestors?), built this place - it's ours and we have a right to it, and other people, immigrants, don't have an unfettered right to enjoy the product of "our" (or was it our national ancestors?) work.
But when it comes to the shared fiction of race that was behind slavery, and the subsequent injustices, and the current inequalities, we're not so keen to stand up and accept (all) the spoils of our racial ancestors' work. Go figure.
Colin seems to get that.
US wealth vs African wealth? If a sex trafficker kidnaps a child in the Congo and sells her in Italy, I'm not inclined to give them credit because she got to see the Coliseum.
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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
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At the end of the day all that matters is how you treat other people. Empathy and compassion is probably the most difficult character trait to instill in children. We are bombarded with the me me me, narcissistic culture that is driven by pure greed. Getting over the idea that giving opportunity to someone else might decrease your well being is the key to achieving empathy and compassion. We are a filthy rich society, and I am not even referring to the distribution of wealth. We can afford to share our good fortune.
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Pete_N
Trad climber
Santa Cruz, CA
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kingtut: That NYT piece was great. My son is a senior this year and looking at schools; he'll be interested in this too. Thanks!
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fear
Ice climber
hartford, ct
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At the end of the day all that matters is how you treat other people. Empathy and compassion is probably the most difficult character trait to instill in children.
Truth. And that cuts through all the color nonsense.
I wonder though if empathy or compassion are traits you can instill vs innate attributes(or lack thereof). I've had the misfortune of knowing just a few real frightening sociopaths who sure seemed to come from good families with otherwise healthy siblings.
The racists I've known curiously aren't sociopaths, just misguided or misinformed. I believe most of them could change if they choose whereas the truly ambivalent sociopath cannot.
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gruzzy
Social climber
socal
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 30, 2017 - 01:49pm PT
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Hes dropping the ball with repealing Obamas work on getting more transparent pay stats and improving womans equality in pay.
Still doing a good thing trying to get rid of favoritism for certain groups at the expense of others.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Aug 30, 2017 - 02:56pm PT
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The most reprehensible thing parading as a human that I have ever had the displeasure to witness. Haven't heard any lies from him recently...thank god for the mute button!
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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
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Aug 30, 2017 - 03:44pm PT
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Interesting that he has stopped calling the Russia investigation a witch hunt. One less lie that he is repeating.
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eeyonkee
Trad climber
Golden, CO
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Aug 30, 2017 - 04:50pm PT
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Not a big fan of Trump, but I'm an even bigger not fan of Trump supporters. There are many more of them and even though I know that they can't help themselves, they piss me off all the same.
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gruzzy
Social climber
socal
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 30, 2017 - 09:13pm PT
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even though hes got a few good ideas like making affirmative action go away, overall hes not that great of a president
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nita
Social climber
chica de chico, I don't claim to be a daisy.
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Aug 30, 2017 - 09:44pm PT
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The most reprehensible thing parading as a human that I have ever had the displeasure to witness. Haven't heard any lies from him recently...thank god for the mute button!
Haha..My Favorite quote of the thread, totally spot on.... I'm becoming Quick draw Mcgraw with the mute button....
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WBraun
climber
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Aug 30, 2017 - 09:50pm PT
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Yer all big fans of Trump
Every day you run to see what he's up to.
You can't get him out of your mind.
There's no escape.
You're all Trump zombies ......
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