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crankster

Trad climber
No. Tahoe
Jan 15, 2017 - 07:50am PT
Proud to live in a state that voted 2-1 for Hillary Clinton over Comrade Trump. Smart folks, here.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Jan 15, 2017 - 08:31am PT
Smart folks, here.

I'll try to remind myself of that when I go out today and experience how many don't know left
from right or how smart they are to cut off a semi in their Yaris without signaling. A bunch of
real geniuses out there. When I see that sort of thing on a daily basis it makes me so happy
to know what a great place this is that morons can get jobs to buy cars they shouldn't be
allowed to drive.
tuolumne_tradster

Trad climber
Leading Edge of North American Plate
Jan 15, 2017 - 10:54am PT
Another example of Subsurface Water Banking as the preferred alternative for Water Storage to meet projected future demand in this Feasibility Study for the Littlerock Creek Groundwater Recharge and Recovery Project prepared by Kennedy/Jenks Consultants for the Palmdale Water District...


tuolumne_tradster

Trad climber
Leading Edge of North American Plate
Jan 15, 2017 - 10:55am PT
Here Stanford Professor Rob Jackson talks about the results of a recent comprehensive Statewide study that discovered deep (1,000-3,000 ft) groundwater resources.

Our findings indicate that California’s Central Valley alone has close to three times the volume of fresh groundwater (< 3,000 mg/L TDS) and four times the volume of USDWs (< 10,000 mg/L Total Dissolved Solids) than previous estimates suggest.

[Click to View YouTube Video]


http://www.pnas.org/content/113/28/7768.abstract

This is what I meant ^^^ that the full extent of California's groundwater resources are not known. Difficult to protect a subsurface resource like groundwater if the lateral and vertical extent is not adequately characterized. Some of the data to assess these resources already exists in geophysical log data that was largely ignored by the Oil & Gas industry because their interests were much deeper. The main geophysical logs for doing this assessment are the electrical resistivity and density/neutron porosity logs.
tuolumne_tradster

Trad climber
Leading Edge of North American Plate
Jan 15, 2017 - 03:32pm PT
TGT2: no question that the deep groundwater is expensive to lift if needed in the future.

My point was that if the State of California has not adequately characterized the full extent of its beneficial use groundwater resources then it is difficult to protect these resources from contamination by Underground Injection Control wells used to dispose oilfield wastewater, some of which contains frack fluids. Problem is that in 2015 many of the aquifers that were categorized as "exempt" from protection and were being targeted for oilfield wastewater disposal were found to meet the water quality criteria for protection. Part of the problem is poor record keeping between State Water Board & Federal Agency, EPA UIC program. Another part of the problem is inadequate State Water Board resources for characterizing and managing these aquifers.

http://www.sfgate.com/business/article/State-let-oil-companies-taint-drinkable-water-in-6054242.php

http://www.sfgate.com/business/article/Oil-wastewater-dumped-into-shallow-Central-Valley-6272051.php


Not sure unconventional multi-stage fracking used to enhance oil and/or gas production from tight reservoirs is needed for groundwater banking injection wells. Presumably the target aquifer is transmissive, so a long, horizontal well without fracking, would probably suffice. If you were to use hydrofracturing technology for this purpose, of course, it would require the use of benign, environmentally friendly frack fluids.
tuolumne_tradster

Trad climber
Leading Edge of North American Plate
Jan 15, 2017 - 03:42pm PT
I hear ya...I've drilled my share of poor performing injection wells :-( There's no easy answer, injection well design and long-term maintenance are challenging. But I still prefer the subsurface water storage options (Groundwater Banking) to building more dams.
10b4me

Mountain climber
Retired
Jan 15, 2017 - 03:45pm PT
Sorry, Steve - you think the US has all sorts of problems. So tell us, in reasoned and reasonable manner, what they are, and what your solutions are. Alleging that only Republicans are 'real' Americans, and therefore can solve those problems, isn't enough.

Anders, conservatives never have rational solutionsto anything, Re:Obamacare, I mean the ACA.
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Jan 15, 2017 - 06:15pm PT
Why don't you enlighten us on how we are going to get all that water into those basins?



Where it's simple to do, (SGV), it's already being done.

i don't pretend to be a PE, with the hydrodynamic theory and practice in my toolbox.

So I guess my answer is to say "lets ask those who have the background how this might be accomplished." I would also advocate that the SGV experience shows that there are at least some practical solutions, although who knows if they are useful elsewhere.

Instead of asking experts: Where do we build the next dam?
c wilmot

climber
Jan 15, 2017 - 06:23pm PT
Ken m- the largest reservoir in the state, Shasta lake could be made far larger by raising the height of the dam.

No new dams need to be built...
tuolumne_tradster

Trad climber
Leading Edge of North American Plate
Jan 15, 2017 - 06:34pm PT
Shasta lake could be made far larger by raising the height of the dam.

As posted ^^^ at a cost of ~ $1,000 more per ac foot than subsurface storage

http://waterinthewest.stanford.edu/groundwater/recharge/
tuolumne_tradster

Trad climber
Leading Edge of North American Plate
Jan 15, 2017 - 06:56pm PT
for the Littlerock Creek Project posted ^^^?
jeff constine

Trad climber
Ao Namao
Jan 15, 2017 - 07:23pm PT
Now Jerry Brown wants a 46% gas tax, to cover the pensions of Ca state employed.
tuolumne_tradster

Trad climber
Leading Edge of North American Plate
Jan 15, 2017 - 07:29pm PT
According to Water in the West there are 78 Groundwater Recharge projects with various levels of funding throughout the State...

crankster

Trad climber
No. Tahoe
Jan 15, 2017 - 07:32pm PT
If we're smart we'd be noticing all the recent water going out to sea. Agree we need more storage in NoCal, just the way it is with a growing population and climate change.

Sites? Why not?

http://www.water.ca.gov/news/newsreleases/2007/091707sites.pdf
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Jan 15, 2017 - 08:13pm PT
Here in Ca, as in most juristictions, there is a perverse process of bail.

We progressive are interested in changing that. Can the GOP get on board?

Do they even care?

http://sd18.senate.ca.gov/news/1252016-hertzberg-unveils-legislation-reform-money-bail

SACRAMENTO – Sen. Bob Hertzberg, D-Van Nuys, unveiled legislation today to reform California’s cash bail system and replace a pretrial process that often forces people of modest means to remain in jail until a court can determine their innocence or guilt but allows the wealthy to go free.

According to the most recent data available, 63 percent of the inmates in county jails are awaiting trial or sentencing. That’s roughly 46,000 Californians on any given day. While some defendants are considered too dangerous to release or a flight risk and should be held in custody for those reasons, most are not a threat to public safety and could be released, monitored and reminded when to return for court hearings.

“California’s bail system punishes poor people simply for being poor,” said Bonta. “In many cases, if you have enough money to pay your bail, you can get out regardless of whether you are a risk to the public. But if you’re poor, you have to sit in jail even when the charge is a misdemeanor like a traffic ticket. That’s not justice.”

Even bail for the most minor offenses can run over $1,000. And for people who can’t pay, their lives are turned upside down, waiting in jail for weeks or months before their case goes to court. The result is devastating for the individuals, who can end up losing their jobs, their homes and almost anything of value, and creates great turmoil and difficulty for their families.

Furthermore, studies indicate incarcerating people before trial has a corrupting influence on justice. For one, many people charged with minor crimes who are unable to pay bail but believe they are innocent decide to plead guilty to the charge simply to get out of jail, keep their jobs and return to their families.
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Jan 15, 2017 - 08:36pm PT
That's what I thought.

GOP'ers are just happy as hell to punish people who have not been convicted of any crime, and who are determined----by a judge----to be of no risk.

The LOVE to spend money on this $100x 40,000 a day.

On top of which, this makes the innocent person incapable of getting a job....so how are they going to support themselves????

Thanks a lot. The GOP plan for boosting crime rates, because they can make money off it.
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Jan 15, 2017 - 08:42pm PT
There's a free market answer - bail bonds.

They'll get you out for a dime on a dollar.
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Jan 15, 2017 - 08:59pm PT
Chaz, that seems reasonable. However the average bond in Ca is $50,000,


An Ineffective System


Money bail was intended to encourage people to return to court. For defendants, paying non-refundable fees to a
for-prot bail bond company does not improve court appearance rates. On the contrary, money bail has proven to be
more damaging to the integrity of our criminal justice system.

The US is one of only two countries in the world that
allow the for-prot bail industry to be part of the pretrial release process. (

The median bail in California is $50,000, and 10 percent – what would be needed to pay a bail agent for release – is $5,000, an amount beyond the reach of most Californians. In fact, according to a report earlier this year by the U.S. Federal Reserve, 46 percent of Americans don’t have $400 to pay for an emergency expense and would have to sell something or borrow money to cover the cost.

So what this system is, is a situation where people of means get to walk out the door---irrespective of their danger to the community----while the poor have to sit in jail where no purpose is being served, other than destroying their lives.

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/nyc-crime/ex-rikers-inmate-beaten-jail-commits-suicide-article-1.2250130

In May 2010, cops arrested Browder on Arthur Ave. in the Bronx after a teen accused him of robbing him of his backpack.

His family was unable to raise his $3,000 bail, so Browder remained locked up in Rikers awaiting trial.

He was offered a plea deal after 33 months, which he refused. As months turned into years, the stress got to Browder and he attempted suicide several times.


Browder spent more than 400 days in solitary confinement.

He was released from Rikers in May 2013 when charges were dropped.
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Jan 15, 2017 - 09:29pm PT
You have the right to a speedy trial.

There's no reason to sit for years in the county jail when you can have a decision in a month.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Jan 15, 2017 - 09:39pm PT
Chaz, just think how that would impact all those poor lawyers whose predecessors spent so
many years so unselfishly developing such a convoluted job security system!
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