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eeyonkee
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Golden, CO
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Nov 18, 2016 - 05:00pm PT
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Anybody here in the insurance industry? Seems to me that the best of them should be like good Las Vegas odds-makers when it comes to climate change. Beautiful crag, by the way!
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EdwardT
Trad climber
Retired
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Nov 19, 2016 - 09:07am PT
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Are you worried about the cause EdwardT?
Nah. The cause will live on. Maybe it'll gain some real traction, and the global community will make an effective plan to lower atmospheric CO2. More likely, it will muddle along, making good theater.
Also, I was wondering if you accept the less radical 6 foot projections.
Six feet is only less radical in comparison. It's still on the extreme end of most projections. I accept the IPCC and NCA estimates of 1 to 4 feet. Four feet is credible and still very problematic.
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McHale's Navy
Trad climber
From Panorama City, CA
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Nov 19, 2016 - 01:46pm PT
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OK - I see where you are coming from now. Thanks :>)
I have always wondered though, if the IPCC was too conservative in their approach. Putting things out 100 years allows people to think it's not important now, which fits right in to the OPs point. At the time this really really does start affecting more and more people, it really will be too late to do anything about.
Many think it's all ready too late, of course, because the future warming is already locked in. The warming will be relatively gradual until the ice is gone that cools the oceans. Much of this ice of course is ancient 'fossil' ice that is like the 'fossil' fuels that are melting it.
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McHale's Navy
Trad climber
From Panorama City, CA
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Nov 19, 2016 - 02:20pm PT
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Just wondering...who here of the "concerned" camp, eat meat?
I do...pretty much every other day!
Do you at least think about eating less meat while you are eating meat? You sound like Dingus that asks everyone what they drive- LOL
Let me say this; no matter what it is you are doing to f*#k the planet up, climate science is still climate science. If it were not for the science, we would not know anything about this stuff. It is a beginning.
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McHale's Navy
Trad climber
From Panorama City, CA
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Nov 19, 2016 - 02:41pm PT
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You did notice that I addressed you as New World Odor. It is not the first time. ;>)
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McHale's Navy
Trad climber
From Panorama City, CA
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Nov 19, 2016 - 02:46pm PT
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You mean about Trump? I'm thinking the Trump experiment is not going to turn out well.
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McHale's Navy
Trad climber
From Panorama City, CA
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Nov 19, 2016 - 03:52pm PT
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I don't actually worship Gore, mentioning his name was more of a trolling device. A gallon of gas still makes 22 lbs of CO2. Like I said before, regardless of what people do, whether it's Gore or whoever, climate science is still climate science. Isn't the article mostly saying trading in carbon credits can be folly? It has nothing to do with what is happening with the climate. Al Gore buys green energy for his home/homes.
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McHale's Navy
Trad climber
From Panorama City, CA
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Nov 19, 2016 - 05:28pm PT
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Well no, but the libertarian idea that seven billion people armed with modern technology can and should be able to do what they want is silly.
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EdBannister
Mountain climber
13,000 feet
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Nov 19, 2016 - 05:51pm PT
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oh boy...
we are in the Holocene interglacial.
it started 12,000 years ago.
70,000 years ago yosemite valley was full of ice. It is warmer now.
There is less ice in the northern hemisphere.
For the last three years in a row, the highest amount of ice ever measured is in the southern hemisphere. Last spring 70,000 penguins died because after wintering inland, they came to the bay to feed, but the bay they normally swim and eat in was iced over. they died.
there is more CO2 put into the air by the beef, cattle and milk industries than all petroleum combusted, so better go fear the cow pie! or get your conspiracy theory going against the Jersey cows!
or maybe some are just sick of the alarmists getting grants... or selling books.
Elrich made millions in the 70's we were all going to be dead by overpopulation,
statistical inevitability, stupid to deny... hmmmm sound familiar?
and there are a host of others, bird flu, heterosexual aids, blah, blah, blah.
The north american record high temp was set in 1913.
Richard Linzen alone? no.
here is Patrick Moore former head of GREENPEACE CANADA on the subject:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RkdbSxyXftc
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EdBannister
Mountain climber
13,000 feet
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Nov 19, 2016 - 06:13pm PT
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Al Gore is apparently not concerned after pocketing 250 million....
everywhere he goes, he goes in a private jet, putting more CO2 into the atmosphere in a day than you will in 4 years.
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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Nov 19, 2016 - 06:37pm PT
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EdBannister wrote: Richard Linzen alone?
perhaps you could provide some reference to Linzen's scientific work on which you feel he is not alone.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Shetville , North of Los Angeles
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Nov 19, 2016 - 06:54pm PT
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10B4me...thanks for the read...scary sh#t..
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EdBannister
Mountain climber
13,000 feet
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Nov 19, 2016 - 09:15pm PT
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Scientists arguing that global warming is primarily caused by natural processes
Khabibullo Abdusamatov, astrophysicist at Pulkovo Observatory of the Russian Academy of Sciences[75][76]
Sallie Baliunas, retired astrophysicist, Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics[77][78][79]
Timothy Ball, historical climatologist, and retired professor of geography at the University of Winnipeg[80][81][82]
Ian Clark, hydrogeologist, professor, Department of Earth Sciences, University of Ottawa[83][84]
Chris de Freitas, associate professor, School of Geography, Geology and Environmental Science, University of Auckland[85][86]
David Douglass, solid-state physicist, professor, Department of Physics and Astronomy, University of Rochester[87][88]
Don Easterbrook, emeritus professor of geology, Western Washington University[89][90]
William Happer, physicist specializing in optics and spectroscopy; emeritus professor, Princeton University[91][92]
Ole Humlum, professor of geology at the University of Oslo[93][94]
Wibjörn Karlén, professor emeritus of geography and geology at the University of Stockholm.[95][96]
William Kininmonth, meteorologist, former Australian delegate to World Meteorological Organization Commission for Climatology[97][98]
David Legates, associate professor of geography and director of the Center for Climatic Research, University of Delaware[99][100]
Anthony Lupo, professor of atmospheric science at the University of Missouri[101][102]
Tad Murty, oceanographer; adjunct professor, Departments of Civil Engineering and Earth Sciences, University of Ottawa[103][104]
Tim Patterson, paleoclimatologist and professor of geology at Carleton University in Canada.[105][106]
Ian Plimer, professor emeritus of mining geology, the University of Adelaide.[107][108]
Arthur B. Robinson, American politician, biochemist and former faculty member at the University of California, San Diego[109][110]
Murry Salby, atmospheric scientist, former professor at Macquarie University and University of Colorado[111][112]
Nicola Scafetta, research scientist in the physics department at Duke University[113][114][115]
Tom Segalstad, geologist; associate professor at University of Oslo[116][117]
Nir Shaviv, professor of physics focusing on astrophysics and climate science at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem[118][119]
Fred Singer, professor emeritus of environmental sciences at the University of Virginia[120][121][122][123]
Willie Soon, astrophysicist, Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics[124][125]
Roy Spencer, meteorologist; principal research scientist, University of Alabama in Huntsville[126][127]
Henrik Svensmark, physicist, Danish National Space Center[128][129]
George H. Taylor, retired director of the Oregon Climate Service at Oregon State University[130][131]
Jan Veizer, environmental geochemist, professor emeritus from University of Ottawa[132][133]
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EdBannister
Mountain climber
13,000 feet
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Nov 19, 2016 - 09:17pm PT
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Scientists questioning the accuracy of IPCC climate projections
These scientists have said that it is not possible to project global climate accurately enough to justify the ranges projected for temperature and sea-level rise over the next century. They may not conclude specifically that the current IPCC projections are either too high or too low, but that the projections are likely to be inaccurate due to inadequacies of current global climate modeling.
David Bellamy, botanist.[19][20][21][22]
Lennart Bengtsson, meteorologist, Reading University.[23][24]
Piers Corbyn, owner of the business WeatherAction which makes weather forecasts.[25][26]
Judith Curry, Professor and former chair of the School of Earth and Atmospheric Sciences at the Georgia Institute of Technology.[27][28][29][30]
Freeman Dyson, professor emeritus of the School of Natural Sciences, Institute for Advanced Study; Fellow of the Royal Society.[31][32]
Ivar Giaever, Norwegian–American physicist and Nobel laureate in physics (1973).[33]
Steven E. Koonin, theoretical physicist and director of the Center for Urban Science and Progress at New York University.[34][35]
Richard Lindzen, Alfred P. Sloan emeritus professor of atmospheric science at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology and member of the National Academy of Sciences.[36][37][38][39]
Craig Loehle, ecologist and chief scientist at the National Council for Air and Stream Improvement.[40][41][42][43][44][45][46]
Ross McKitrick, Professor of Economics and CBE Chair in Sustainable Commerce, University of Guelph.[47][48]
Patrick Moore, former president of Greenpeace Canada.[49][50][51]
Nils-Axel Mörner, retired head of the Paleogeophysics and Geodynamics Department at Stockholm University, former chairman of the INQUA Commission on Sea Level Changes and Coastal Evolution (1999–2003).[52][53]
Garth Paltridge, retired chief research scientist, CSIRO Division of Atmospheric Research and retired director of the Institute of the Antarctic Cooperative Research Centre, visiting fellow Australian National University.[54][55]
Roger A. Pielke, Jr., professor of environmental studies at the Center for Science and Technology Policy Research at the University of Colorado at Boulder.[56][57]
Tom Quirk, corporate director of biotech companies and former board member of the Institute of Public Affairs, an Australian conservative think-tank.[58]
Denis Rancourt, former professor of physics at University of Ottawa, research scientist in condensed matter physics, and in environmental and soil science.[59][60][61][62]
Harrison Schmitt, geologist, Apollo 17 Astronaut, former U.S. Senator.[63]
Peter Stilbs, professor of physical chemistry at Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm.[64][65]
Philip Stott, professor emeritus of biogeography at the University of London.[66][67]
Hendrik Tennekes, retired director of research, Royal Netherlands Meteorological Institute.[68][69]
Anastasios Tsonis, distinguished professor at the University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee.[70][71]
Fritz Vahrenholt, German politician and energy executive with a doctorate in chemistry.[72][73]
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Fat Dad
Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
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Nov 19, 2016 - 09:18pm PT
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Man, don't you get it? Al Gore has $$$, so melting sea ice has no relation to a warming climate. Those liberal environmental extremists' message has become so pervasive, even the ice believes it now. All is fine. Carry on, or the government will control your life!
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EdBannister
Mountain climber
13,000 feet
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Nov 19, 2016 - 09:18pm PT
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or you can just remember none of them are from Stanford, they just got a grant for 225 million... do you think they will oppose what they are in the tank for 225 million for?
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EdBannister
Mountain climber
13,000 feet
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Nov 19, 2016 - 09:20pm PT
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or, we are in the holocene interglacial, it started getting warmer 11,500 years ago.....
did Henry Ford do that??
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EdBannister
Mountain climber
13,000 feet
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Nov 19, 2016 - 09:23pm PT
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semite Valley was full of ice 70,000 years ago... it got warmer, four recessional moraines witness four periods of stability followed by a yet warmer period... also not caused by Ford or Eli Whitney.
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