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BLUEBLOCR
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joshua tree
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ecdh^^^ dude the universe must provide a negative to every positive. It' the law! The law also provides what's good for your brain. YOUR power is that of choice..
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ecdh
climber
the east
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Non-answer.
Why did god invent hallucinogenic plants?
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Flip Flop
climber
Earth Planet, Universe
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Back to my questions
Human: Does God allow hell and eternal damnation?
Christer: Yes ( or blather)
Human: So you were indoctrinated as a child, right?
Christer: Yes ( or blather)
Human: And your God/Christ/Spirit, did he mean to leave such a divisive
mess of judgement and retribution behind which he cannot or will not rectify?
Christer: Yes ( or blather)
Human: And all the other fancy creation mythologies and their followers are pretty much loonies, right?
Christer: Yes ( or blather)
Human: And you're a pacifist like Jesus, right?
Christer: Nope
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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Fritz, that's a wonderful personal experience!
and i would act the same way too, in person.
In public forums,,,, sure we see people meeting and getting married, but i see it ONLY as a public place to discern personal truths..
Ethics and emotions HAVE to be optional
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Bushman
Social climber
Elk Grove, California
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Human; Doesn't God ever sin?
"Lucy, I thin you hab sum splainin to do!"
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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Human: And you're a pacifist like Jesus, right?
Jesus ain't no fukin pacifist! The law is absolute! His is an alternate path negotiated by the Source/Judge.
EVOLUTION, now there's a pacifist!
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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You chose to be a gadfly, BLUEBLOCER.
seems queer for you to say this, since your understanding negates choice??
before you judge, maybe broaden your view?
meaning, "BLUEBLOCR" is a meme
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limpingcrab
Trad climber
the middle of CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 2, 2016 - 10:36pm PT
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Prosthletyzer!
He thought it was detestable when exactly? When he tested Abraham? When he tortured his own son? When he condemned the majority of humanity to eternal damnation.
Words have meanings, you know?
From out here in the rational world, you sound like another Scientologist or Mormon or Any other bullshit cultist. I had to look that word up, and now I think it's funny that I didn't know exactly what proselytizer meant.
I believe God thought people sacrificing their children was detestable every time he mentioned it in the bible. He did not have Abraham kill his son and I believe Jesus is God, so he himself suffered for our sins so that we can know him (Colossians 2:9)
That's ok, I'm not really worried about how I look :)
I believe that, sadly, they fit in with so many people that miss the point (Love, 1st John 4:19). Sadder still, people will think that they represent followers of Christ instead of those that are out giving their lives to help and love people.
So limpingcrab, does your belief that you have a book of answers, the bible, that tells you the truth, confirm your belief that you have a direct real nonadoptee relationship with Jesus and that you know what Jesus wants, or does it work the other way, that Jesus tells you the truth that the bible is telling the truth? Or do they confirm each other? Or is that not how your belief processes work - really those beliefs are based on something else, maybe something human?
I'll try to be concise.
-I Believe there must be some sort of higher power for scientific reasons.
-I believe Christianity is the story of that higher power for logical reasons.
-I believe the Bible because it is the basis for Christianity and following Jesus.
Any one of those could be a multi-day conversation, but I hope that addresses the gist of your question. It could be different for every believer out there, that's just the answer specific to me.
Do you have to deny that evolution is true to be a good Christian?
Please site the verse in the bible that disallows the belief in evolution.
Why is there a fossil record that has dug up long extinct forms of life.
Shouldn't there be evidence of a creation event rather than all the evidence proving that all life came from less evolved life forms and slowly evolved to all the species we see today.
scientists have shown that there is no evidence of intelligent design
it's all evolved from basic building blocks
I do not believe that a person's opinion about evolution has anything to do with salvation or a relationship with Jesus (1st John 1:19). You are correct in that the Bible is not black and white about this. Don't waste too much time on topics outside of the love of Jesus, but you can compare reasons.org and icr.org for the opposing views that Christians may have on evolution and the age of the earth. I think it is unfortunate that many people see Jesus and the history of life as an either/or decision.
Not to go too far down this rabbit hole tangent (which could go 1000+ posts), but I still firmly believe that God had to have been involved either way. That is coming from about 15 years of study, including both of my degrees in Ecology & Evolution. Assuming that "scientists" have abiogenesis and biochemical macroevolution figured out is comparable, to me, to a person without a background in medicine watching a one-sided Netflix documentary about vaccinations and then believing that they are terrible and nobody should get them. I hope that doesn't come off as sarcastic or condescending, I'm just trying to express my personal opinion.
This is my top-rope solo set-up and I think it's the better than your set-up...
Probably, here's mine
Why did god invent hallucinogenic plants? Was there something in my original response that you would like me to clarify? Sorry, not sure what else to add...
Back to my questions
Human: Does God allow hell and eternal damnation?
Christer: Yes ( or blather)
Human: So you were indoctrinated as a child, right?
Christer: Yes ( or blather)
Human: And your God/Christ/Spirit, did he mean to leave such a divisive
mess of judgement and retribution behind which he cannot or will not rectify?
Christer: Yes ( or blather)
Human: And all the other fancy creation mythologies and their followers are pretty much loonies, right?
Christer: Yes ( or blather)
Human: And you're a pacifist like Jesus, right?
Christer: Nope I can't answer to generalizations for people who try to follow Jesus and I'm reading that as a series of generalizations. I'd be happy to share my personal belief based on what I have learned from Jesus if there's a specific question.
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ecdh
climber
the east
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the 'i dont know' was refreshing to see, as was the acceptance of evolution. left at that the whole thread would be neat.
the rest was barely related to the question and a string of inconsistencies but it may be that was your point.
dont get me wrong, i admire your grace and even courage in hosting this thread. you are filling in lots of blanks with a depth of quality and a sound sense of debate. respect.
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Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
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Face it, you are Face it, you are 'The Accuser", "The Anti-Christ". Yo gonna burn in the pit of a Sun, shinning rays of energy on all us who live, so Thank you for being the bummer you are today ;)
Yo gonna burn in the pit of a Sun, shinning rays of energy on all us who live, so Thank you for being the bummer you are today ;)
BB
Well at least he put in a smiley face
I really hit a nerve, that's what I hate about reactionaries, they just can't hold to together when their "faith" is challenged.
Is it a right wing thing?, authoritarian? Christian?
It's not really a Christian thing, so many other folks have the same personality trait.
BB
Does this hate you have apply to everyone that believes in evolution?
Even the Vatican Catholics now accept evolution.
Intelligent design has zero scientific proof or any support by anyone except the religious zealots, look it up.
The whole scientific revolution is part of 'The Accuser", "The Anti-Christ".
They will all burn in Hell!!!!
Wow!!!, I wonder if this type of rhetoric will help change my mind about science?
My degrees in biology and geology may be hard to undermine at this point.
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Flip Flop
climber
Earth Planet, Universe
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No offense but your belief system is of zero interest. You can't expect to influence a highly intelligent, free thinker with a world of experiences if you don't use words with meaning.
You do know what blather means, right?
( to Klimmer over at the Trump thread)
I actually dig all that kooky prophecizing. It's hypnotic. I can see how one might get addicted to belief. Creepy. Scary. But definitely a pleasant opiate.
Rational thought and religion will never coexist. And we keep killing your gods. And we always will. All you facists ( and anti-intellectuals) are bound to lose.
Zeus? Dead.
Zoroaster? Dead?
Christ? Double Dead.
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John M
climber
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You "Fry"s" of the world, WHEN are you gonna wake up?! Your not here with questions like that of a spirit to learn(exemplified in children)? Your here with presumptions and accusations from your own bias with a prosecutionalary presumption for contempt. Face it, you are 'The Accuser", "The Anti-Christ". Yo gonna burn in the pit of a Sun, shinning rays of energy on all us who live, so Thank you for being the bummer you are today ;)
Blueblocker..
Jesus never taught anyone to hate a person. He taught to turn from evil but love the person doing the evil. On the cross he said, "father, forgive them for they know not what they do". This was an act of Love. Realize that God created that person and loves them. He does not love the sin, but he does Love the sinner. And yes, as the Father he will rebuke sinners. But that is up to Him/Her. It is not up to you. Until and unless you put on the full Christ mind. And even then God is still love and most often rebukes in a gentle manner. When you post like what you have posted then it comes across as yelling. Jesus rebuked the church leaders, but he did not rebuke those not in a spiritual leadership role. He simply realized that they did not understand what they were doing when they resorted to evil, and he tried to make them aware. Not by shouting at them, but by loving them. He also rebuked Satan, but I do not see Satan among those posting here. I see some hard hearts and some upset people, but I do not see Satan. I see his works, but not him.
You do see anger expressed here, and some of it is unfair, but some of it is also fair. Did you not hear those who said they were abused by Christians? Abused by being taught fear as a child. This is something I believe that the church needs to work on. Teaching children, "better behave or god will send you to hell". That is teaching to fear God. There has never been a time when God wanted his creation to fear him. I don't care what the bible says. The translations are wrong. The word should be "awe". Otherwise if the word fear is accurate in the bible then why would God turn around and say over and over.. fear not for I am with you. That would be psychotic. Hey.. fear me, but fear not even though the thing that you are supposed to fear is with you. Can you not see that fallacy in that?
Please try to understand this. Replace fear with awe and you then find the proper attitude. One of respect. And then you can see a reasonable reason for some being upset at being taught fear. This is where people on this forum should be able to come together. Most of the people on this forum have worked on some level to overcome fear. I stand in awe of many of them. Not that I think that they are perfect because they display fearlessness. But rather I respect that fearlessness and try to emulate it in my own life. And the bible does teach to fear not. To rise above your fears. Jesus did not fear Satan. He knew that God was with him. He felt a great sadness at the path Satan had chosen, but he felt a great sadness at those who chose to follow him. Please try to connect to that sadness and the Love behind it and realize that hating will not change anything. It only creates more hate.
The churches teachings on hell are also false, but that is a deeper subject and one which takes time to explain. and this post is long enough.
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Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
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Can atheists love as much as a good Christians??
Why not, what would restrict the level of love available from one's self?
Is it a sin to question the bible?
What sins have I committed?
as far as I'm concerned, I'm sin free.
Does Satan have influence over me?
How can you tell?
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Gnome Ofthe Diabase
climber
Out Of Bed
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OK Enough already
Let Them have their faith.
when the wind blows and things go bad it is a nice place to take a moment,
Faith will sustain you as you die,
come in out of the cold, why dontcha'
(Shara, No , THNX Locker, , Sarah Palin speak she is a believer and look what prayer got her),
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3521747/Sarah-Palin-shoots-pig-poses-carcass-rifle-issues-plea-Wisconsin-voters-say-status-quo-ahead-Tuesday-s-primary.html
OK enough blather
Hell is real we all live in hell every day.
If yours is grey and their hell is white that is all that one can say.
Be happy, Make peace and happiness a goal and achieve it.
Let them have their LACK of faith
they know not what they do?
yes they do, they do DOO-DOO
so do I and you
it is all the same in the end
My friends our schit stinks.
HEY!
LOCKER
accordingly??, if i spelt it wrong it was a palindrome
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John M
climber
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why would you assume that I am talking about you Craig? I was not even thinking of you when I wrote the above post. This conversation has been going on for a long time and there are many who have posted hateful things. On both sides. Its not just about this one thread.
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Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
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I wasn't picking on you John
I was just picking out some talking points that you posted that I wanted to see how Christians would answer.
Like love and sin
and I do want to know how much Satan influences me, that kind of thing is important
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John M
climber
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why would it be important if you don't believe he exists?
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Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
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I want to know what Christians think
That's what's important for me to know.
That's why I'm here, to ask questions
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Limpingcrab, that was a most excellent answer to my question, and a good response to the article. It appears you may have read the whole thing.
You answered in terms of love, about the best that could have been done.
Probably the most disturbing aspect of religion to me are all the judgements and lack of love. I personally see religion as the greatest threat to our world. People like Klimmer, " my god is absolute and perfect, and everyone else is wrong " I find dangerous.
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John M
climber
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The problem Craig is that I believe that you only want to know what we "believe/think" so that you can denigrate it or so that others can get their jollies. I'm not interested in enabling that. The bible calls it casting pearls before swine. Someone here will of course interpret that to mean that I called you a swine. But thats not what it means. It means putting knowledge in front of someone who is incapable, for whatever reason, of appreciating it. That can create a feedback loop because they will often misuse the information, thus making karma for them and for the person enabling them. So no thanks.
Edit: Cosmic below posted before I posted my edit:
Edit: besides which, your central question.." what do Christians believe?" is too broad. Christians have a wide range of beliefs. Probably the only central belief is that God exists. From there it goes in almost every direction.
Just as one can not know what atheist believe based on a few posts from a few people on a forum. If one atheist believes in aliens from another planet, am I to apply that to every atheist, or even include it as a belief of atheist? Or course not.
The best you can hope for on this thread is to have some idea of what Daniel believes. And perhaps what I believe, or a few others. But as you should be able to see from this thread. Even with those small numbers, there is a wide variation.
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