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EdwardT
Trad climber
Retired
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Oilman?
I thought the Senate crushed it 95-0.
With gas back at 2004 prices, I doubt the masses are going to be too interested in costly alternatives.
Better to just keep the head in the sand, huh, Edward?
Nah. I'm just not buying the annual dog and pony show.
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Norton
Social climber
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President Bush Created ISIS
Former Military Chief: Iraq War Was A 'Failure' That Helped Create ISIS
"We strategically marched in the wrong direction."
Retired Lt. General Michael Flynn, the former head of the Defense Intelligence Agency who came up through intelligence positions in Iraq and Afghanistan, says that the George W. Bush administration's Iraq war was a tremendous blunder that helped to create the self-proclaimed Islamic State, or ISIS.
"It was a huge error," Flynn said about the Iraq war in a detailed interview with German newspaper Der Spiegel published Sunday.
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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HDDJ,
I appreciate your efforts and those of several others to keep this thread as a debate over ideas rather than an insult exchange. Unfortunately, it appears we failed. The signal-to-noise ratio is getting too high, even for me, to find it worthwhile to get the gold from the dross.
John
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10b4me
Mountain climber
Retired Climber
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Even if they reach an agreement in Paris, it's non binding.
have a good day philo. sorry to hear about your dog.
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 1, 2015 - 11:57am PT
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guyman posted Wow you now think Obama is equal to GOD.
I spit coffee all over the monitor when I came across that little gem stone.
That's an interesting reaction. So your position is that the President of the United States, leader of the world's largest consumer and second largest polluter, does not have the power to influence global debate/action on this issue? Please, do go on.
John- I appreciate your efforts too, and I agree with Not-Lois!
10b posted Even if they reach an agreement in Paris, it's non binding.
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guyman
Social climber
Moorpark, CA.
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That's an interesting reaction. So your position is that the President of the United States, leader of the world's largest consumer and second largest polluter, does not have the power to influence global debate/action on this issue? Please, do go on.
He has zero power to make a TREATY and APPROVE it.... oh yea he will sell out the USA and call it a TREATY but he must bring it before Congress and it must be approved. The Congress is starting to not do what this PREZ wishes, if you haven't been paying attention to the latest action in DC.
And this is a UN deal, again, the UN is so League of Nations now don't you think?
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Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
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There are a million things that the President can do to reduce green house emissions that do not involve a UN treaty.
So I guess your whole premise was wrong.
And who thinks Obama is God? no one
wrong again
Do you think that Congress should block the UN Treaty?
China is serious about doing something, and since they don't have a obstructive congress bought off by big Oil, they can do what's best for their country.
Doing something about reducing green house emissions is selling out the USA?
wrong again
he could create millions of green jobs tomorrow with the OK from Congress
why does the GOP want to keep people from getting green jobs?
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philo
climber
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Starting?
Unbelievable!
The Congress is starting to not do what this PREZ wishes, if you haven't been paying attention to the latest action in DC.
Have you been in a coma for the last seven years or are you always in blind denial of reality?
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skcreidc
Social climber
SD, CA
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If only we could summon up another big krakatoa eruption, like the one in 1883 that caused 4 years without summer. THAT would fix this climate thingy.
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skcreidc
Social climber
SD, CA
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It actually is interesting you mention that. THere is one theory where when the bulk of the ice over Greenland melts causes a major shift in the ocean currents of the Atlantic, if I remember correct the deep currents in particular, causing the next period of glacial advance. But this is from so long ago (1980's), I forget who came up with this theory of glacial cycles.
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skcreidc
Social climber
SD, CA
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I think the bottom line is IF the glacial periods are (still) cyclical. Cycles tend to end.
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Sierra Ledge Rat
Mountain climber
Old and Broken Down in Appalachia
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I read somewhere that the earth is headed toward another inevitable ice age (seems they are cyclical) and, if global warming did anything at all, it might minimally delay the onset.
We are in an ice age now. It started about the time that the continent of Antarctica moved into its current position, and when the north pole became nearly land-locked by the continents North America and Eurasia.
Ice Ages are characterized by alternating periods of glaciations and interglacial periods. The last glaciation ended about 20,000 years ago. So we are currently in an Ice Age but in an interglacial period of that Ice Age.
Historically, interglacial periods are about 5,000 to 10,000 years in length. So our current 20,000-year interglacial is an anomaly.
I noticed evidence of climate warming back in the 1990s when I was doing cave research, but at the time did not recognize the significance of what I was seeing. I suspect that out current interglacial will continue and the next glaciation will, in fact, be delayed even more by global warming.
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Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
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Ragetta
What do you think of Hillary Clinton?
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skcreidc
Social climber
SD, CA
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This is really semantics I suspect, but the last glacial period ended approximately 12,000 years ago. This roughly correlates with the beginning of the Holocene period some 11,500 years ago.
edit; So the last 11,500 or so years has been an interglacial.
My point is if we (humans) have altered the system enough, we may be outside of the glacial cycle. Period. Purely conjecture of course.
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Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
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Exxon Knew about Climate Change Almost 40 Years Ago
A new investigation shows the oil company understood the science before it became a public issue and spent millions to promote misinformation
By Shannon Hall | October 26, 2015 |
The company’s knowledge of climate change dates back to July 1977, when its senior scientist James Black delivered a sobering message on the topic.
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/exxon-knew-about-climate-change-almost-40-years-ago/
Exxon was aware of climate change, as early as 1977, 11 years before it became a public issue, according to a recent investigation from InsideClimate News. This knowledge did not prevent the company (now ExxonMobil and the world’s largest oil and gas company) from spending decades refusing to publicly acknowledge climate change and even promoting climate misinformation—an approach many have likened to the lies spread by the tobacco industry regarding the health risks of smoking. Both industries were conscious that their products wouldn’t stay profitable once the world understood the risks, so much so that they used the same consultants to develop strategies on how to communicate with the public.
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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I also think this country is not ready for ANY female to be elected president.
I couldn't disagree more. While Hillary Clinton isn't exactly my first choice, I would vote for her over Trump.
More importantly, I think there are any number of women capable of running a convincing campaign for their party's nomination. On the Republican side, we already have NiKki Haley, a governor who has demonstrated an ability both to govern and to lead. She would be an excellent candidate for the conservative cause. On the Democratic side, in addition to Hillary, someone like Patty Murray who could articulate the liberal position quite well.
Thus far, only Carly Fiorina and Hillary Clinton have chosen to run. In my opinion, Fiorina has not demonstrated the qualifications to be President, mainly because she has never (to my knowledge) served in elective office. Still, if any of a number of strong female candidates chose to run, I think you'd find the country more than ready to elect her.
John
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Gary
Social climber
Hell is empty and all the devils are here
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I read it recently in an email...
Say no more.
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guyman
Social climber
Moorpark, CA.
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We need to all go have a smoke.....and chill.
This MEGATHREAD is spinning out of control....
maybe that was the original intention.
see youall later... must work, the boss man is calling.
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Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
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Ragetta
what does your avatar name reference?
just curious
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