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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Sep 28, 2015 - 11:42am PT
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David Horowitz, as a liberal-turned-conservative, is speaking autobiographically in that quote as a liberal who did in fact turn into a fascist, bigoted hater.
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The Chief
climber
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Sep 28, 2015 - 11:44am PT
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Sep 28, 2015 - 11:40am PT
G'damn, Craig Fry and BOBda, think you can post that same meme for the 50th time?
FIFY!
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David Horowitz, as a liberal-turned-conservative, is speaking autobiographically in that quote as a liberal who did in fact turn into a fascist, bigoted hater.
Kind a like them once affiliated Gangbangers that saw the light and totally disengaged themselves from the ideology/lifestyle.
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Sep 28, 2015 - 11:45am PT
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From the article above.
“We want to give Boehner a governable majority so the crazies you hate will be irrelevant.”
This is how the Washington Republican Establishment talks to its K Street allies. It’s a quote from last October when a Republican campaign operative told the business community why it was important for Republicans to capture 245 House seats. The establishment isn’t focused on marginalizing liberal lawmakers trying to grow the size and scope of government. They want to marginalize conservative lawmakers fighting to keep the reasonable promises they have made to their constituents.
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Sep 28, 2015 - 11:45am PT
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FIFY!
Yeah, 5th grade was cool.
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The Chief
climber
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Sep 28, 2015 - 11:47am PT
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More like Pre-School, Bruce.
My Daddy's bigger and badder than your Daddy... na na na ... NA!
The size of Gov't has grown so out of control since 2008. The hypocrisy of the bureaucracy is beyond fked up.
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Sep 28, 2015 - 11:52am PT
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"Total IGNORANCE, UNGRATEFULNESS and HYPOCRISY prevails across the board in this nation solely based on one's political/ideological views."
Nah, I just don't think that's true.
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Sep 28, 2015 - 11:56am PT
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V I E T N A M W A R S T A T I S T I C S
Killed: 58,220
Wounded: 303,704
Severely disabled: 75,000-----23,214 100% Disabled; 5,283 Lost limb; 1,081 Sustained multiple amputations.
Amputation or crippling wounds to the lower extremities were 300% higher than in WW II and 70% higher than Korea. Multiple amputations occurred at the rate of 18.4% compared to 5.7% in WW II.
I always find it amazing that Asians are so adept at avoiding casualties in wars.
And what did war architect Robert Strange McNamara have to say about the war?
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The Chief
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Sep 28, 2015 - 11:56am PT
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And what did war architect Robert Strange McNamara have to say about the war?
ALL of which he was under the direct orders and approval of .... JFK & LBJ!
Apogee...
Prime example....
U.S. Soldiers Told to Ignore Sexual Abuse of Boys by Afghan Allies
KABUL, Afghanistan — In his last phone call home, Lance Cpl. Gregory Buckley Jr. told his father what was troubling him: From his bunk in southern Afghanistan, he could hear Afghan police officers sexually abusing boys they had brought to the base.
“At night we can hear them screaming, but we’re not allowed to do anything about it,” the Marine’s father, Gregory Buckley Sr., recalled his son telling him before he was shot to death at the base in 2012. He urged his son to tell his superiors. “My son said that his officers told him to look the other way because it’s their culture.”
Rampant sexual abuse of children has long been a problem in Afghanistan, particularly among armed commanders who dominate much of the rural landscape and can bully the population. The practice is called bacha bazi, literally “boy play,” and American soldiers and Marines have been instructed not to intervene in some cases, not even when their Afghan allies have abused boys on military bases, according to interviews and court records. http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/21/world/asia/us-soldiers-told-to-ignore-afghan-allies-abuse-of-boys.html?_r=0
These orders came down from the Commander In Chief (Obama) himself... WTF!
BTW, Bonerdickweed just found out about the above issue just two weeks ago.
And there's so much more that you ignorant fools here haven't a clue about that has come down throughout many of the Monster Gov't Agencies from the "TOP" since 2008.
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Bottom line.... They are ALL fked up & totally Bought and Paid for... ALL of em!
Even Sanders.
I always find it amazing that Asians are so adept at avoiding casualties in wars.
You can add the over 2.2 MILLION of civilians killed to the LIST of JFK/LBJ's (Both Dems) actions.
Even Better.....
How about the over 5.4 MILLION innocent human beings that were slaughtered in the Congo during 1995-1996 under Bill Clinton's watch. Of which he did absolutely NOTHING to stop the slaughter...
or the Millions in Bosnia ... Or Darfur ..... Or... ALL during Billy C' and Hilldawitches watch.
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Sep 28, 2015 - 12:34pm PT
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Truman? Civilian body count?
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The Chief
climber
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Sep 28, 2015 - 12:35pm PT
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Truman = Ordered two Nukes Dropped on Innocent Civs = Democrat = WTF????
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 28, 2015 - 12:41pm PT
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"You can add the over 2.2 MILLION of civilians killed to the LIST of JFK/LBJ's (Both Dems) actions.
Even Better.....
How about the over 5.4 MILLION innocent human beings that were slaughtered in the Congo during 1995-1996 under Bill Clinton's watch. Of which he did absolutely NOTHING to stop the slaughter...
or the Millions in Bosnia ... Or Darfur ..... Or... ALL during Billy C' and Hilldawitches watch."
And you still chose to join in on this bullshit by joining the military.
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 28, 2015 - 12:43pm PT
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Carter body count...?
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Sep 28, 2015 - 12:44pm PT
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The size of Gov't has grown so out of control since 2008. The hypocrisy of the bureaucracy is beyond fked up.
But again, no citations, no evidence, no supporting documentation.
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Sep 28, 2015 - 12:57pm PT
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Not sure how the clever pundits could miss this, but when you have one faction outwardly professing a desire to transform our nation into something entirely new, while another faction outwardly professes to either retain our identity, or return our identity to something it was once before, the simple answer to Rucker’s question is: No. Republicans and Democrats are not currently talking about the same nation, and the paths sought by each have very little in common.
The United States Constitution is, without question, a document which secures the rights of self-governance among the States and the People, while bestowing minimal authority upon the federal government to oversee very specific elements of governance.
Republicans -- generally speaking, and especially when compelled by conservatives to do so -- seek to preserve the integrity of the Constitution by maintaining its fixed restrictions upon federal power. Because if the integrity of this fundamental principle of the republic is not observed, the republic will cease to be the republic our Founders created.
http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2015/09/two_americas_more_clearly_defined_now_than_ever_before.html
So forget the preconceived notions you may have had over the years about the measures of viability for a Republican candidate. The mainstream pundits will insist that appeal as a centrist or a moderate is a prerequisite for viability, but to believe in that nonsense requires a misunderstanding of the cultural and ideological divisions that have become more prominent these last seven years.
Which candidate can convincingly capture and disseminate the ideas of individual liberty and limited federal authority, returning power to the States and the People? These are the core principles of classical liberalism, conservatism, federalism, libertarianism, and ultimately, the core principles of America.
Whoever can do that will win the Republican ticket, and with it, a great chance at restoring those very principles in national governance.
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Elcapinyoazz
Social climber
Joshua Tree
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Sep 28, 2015 - 01:01pm PT
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The size of Gov't has grown so out of control since 2008.
From that bastion of liberalism, the Wall Street Journal:
"Not since July 1966 has the federal government’s workforce been so small. (The spikes every decade are the hiring of several hundred thousand temporary workers to conduct the census.) "
Deeerrrrp.
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Norton
Social climber
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Sep 28, 2015 - 01:03pm PT
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Facts are irrelevant
It's all abut personal entertainment
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two-shoes
Trad climber
Auberry, CA
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Sep 28, 2015 - 01:03pm PT
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How can I forget the dems,-- I went into the Air Force in 1966.
Nixon was even worse!
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dirtbag
climber
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Sep 28, 2015 - 01:19pm PT
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Huh. I guess I missed the posts where Craig and Bob praised jfk and lbj for their policies regarding US military involvement in Vietnam.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Sep 28, 2015 - 01:23pm PT
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Kind a like them once affiliated Gangbangers that saw the light and totally disengaged themselves from the ideology/lifestyle.
No, just a liberal turned bigot attempting project his experience and hypocrisy on others.
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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Sep 28, 2015 - 01:24pm PT
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Since this thread has morphed to the standard political party dichotomy (real or imagined), I'll comment on the "size" of the federal government. El Cap's chart uses the number of federal employees as a proxy for the "size" of the federal government. I question whether the number of direct federal employees really measures the effect of the federal government on day-do-day lives of residents of the United States. How does one measure the effect of the regulations enacted by this Administration? It's been particularly aggressive in interpreting its right to enact change without changes in legislation or court interpretations, and those changes all seem to have the effect of tilting the economic playing field in favor of the largest donors to the Democrats.
Ultimately, the "size" of any particular government involves a sufficiently vague term that we inevitably fight over any assertion concerning the government's size, with no prospect of objective proof.
As to Boehner, I'm sorry to see him go, but I understand why he wants to disassociate himself with those to his right who want to engage in political theatre rather than legislate for the good of the country. The Tea Party continues its quest to grab defeat from the jaws of victory.
John
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