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Largo
Sport climber
The Big Wide Open Face
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Jun 29, 2015 - 04:51pm PT
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An interesting scare tactic is that gay marriage will automatically erode the bonds of straight marriage? At the root of this misconception is the belief that one's physical attractions are not strictly internal, instinctive and involuntary, but are defined or at any rate influenced by external factors. That is, if Bob and Joshua live next door and fornicate ardently in the privacy of their own digs, and you live next door, or in the same city, or galaxy, you run the risk of dumping Charlotte, abandoning the kids and chasing after Danny.
And so we are told: If we allow gay marriage, the gays will multiply, the family unit will unravel or become usurped by profligate sodomy, society will tank and we'll all die and go to hell.
The most fantastic thing about this last statement is that people appearing to be intelligent claim to believe it. I personally think they do not, that most people humming that tune are merely singing as much to appear pious, Republican, straight, and so on. Who would really bet their life on the notion that gays are morally backward sinners that can be retrained and cured to be real, natural and straight? Who that has ever reviewed the issue in terms of solid, peer-reviewed psychological studies, has ever claimed as much?
JL
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Stewart
Trad climber
Courtenay, B.C.
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Jun 29, 2015 - 04:54pm PT
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klimmer: At first I thought you were joking. You seem to be one of that sad parade of individuals who have pissed away their entire lives actually believing that their deluded concept of God is somehow superior to that of more spiritually tolerant human beings.
Worse yet, you are trying to inflict your warped beliefs on others.
I'll take my chances in any possible afterlife that may await me, since it appears certain that I won't won't have to associate with boring, joyless fanatics like you.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Jun 29, 2015 - 05:04pm PT
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If there is an afterlife, I gotta say that the folks enjoying it are taking omertà to a new level.
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WBraun
climber
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Jun 29, 2015 - 05:06pm PT
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Americans .....
They just got the green light to get married.
And what do they do?
Blah blah blah blah blah
It's the Americans way ......... :-)
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Jun 29, 2015 - 05:27pm PT
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I will look forward to watching as folks, who now are going to have a much easier time getting married, find out how hard it is getting divorced.
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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Jun 29, 2015 - 05:51pm PT
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Many religious believers cite that legalising gay marriage is tantamount to eroding morality.
well i'm not sure on the eroding morality part. But my personal quiff over regarding this started by the legalitys and the dumbing down of intellectual truths.
What's tantamount in my book is trying to conflate gay "marriage" in the same respect as heterol "marriage". Sure there are many here and around the world that get "married" because the two are in love, or because it"s a good business arangement. But the fact is Marriage, along with the terms marry, wife and husband were written in the bible Thousands of years ago. And a direct deffinition was handed down by God. "Therefore a man shall leave his mother and father and be joined to his wife, and they shall become one flesh. Be fruitful and multiply." It's a clear reciepe for the meaning of what it takes to become Married.
Marriage has always been held to portray a meaning through acts. Specifically a the uniting of a man and a woman to combine their genes to begat their oneness in a child. That's it. Nothing more!
The union between a man and a man or a woman and a woman has a meaning. It just ain't Marriage. IMHO
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WBraun
climber
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Jun 29, 2015 - 06:16pm PT
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Federalizing the Police: President Obama has identified the first six cities to test his new Federal Police Program.
This program is designed to establish a unified police force that the federal government has direct control over and completely autonomous from any local or state authority.
Most people are not aware this is also a "mandated" requirement under article 5 of the Arms Trade Treaty that the president and congress signed in 2013.
When fully established, the federal police force will be required to enforce all international laws set forth by the United Nations ruling council.
These test cities are Birmingham; Fort Worth, Texas; Gary, Indiana; Minneapolis, MN; Pittsburg, Pennsylvania; and Stockton, California.
DMT will be sent to FEMA camp?
Supertopians will bake pie with hacksaw inside so that DMT can escape.
We will be watching the evening News live helicopter feed as DMT sprints across the California American foothills out running the tools .....
:-)
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dave729
Trad climber
Western America
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Jun 29, 2015 - 06:30pm PT
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The golden states $200 democracy grinds on.
Anyone know the status of this crazy filing?
'California proposal to legalize killing gays hard to stop'
http://www.sacbee.com/news/politics-government/capitol-alert/article15394181.html
The California initiative proposal process.
Pay $200 for any pet law you'd like to see passed.
After a few moments of thought, if I was to file for one it would be that
when buying gas for your car everyone would have to click either yes or
no to the question: "Do You Believe In Global Warming?".
If you click yes the price you pay per gallon doubles
instantly for that fill up. Gotta love democracy.
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Lorenzo
Trad climber
Portland Oregon
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Jun 29, 2015 - 06:44pm PT
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Jun 29, 2015 - 06:16pm PT
Federalizing the Police: President Obama has identified the first six cities to test his new Federal Police Program.
This program is designed to establish a unified police force that the federal government has direct control over and completely autonomous from any local or state authority.
Most people are not aware this is also a "mandated" requirement under article 5 of the Arms Trade Treaty that the president and congress signed in 2013.
When fully established, the federal police force will be required to enforce all international laws set forth by the United Nations ruling council.
These test cities are Birmingham; Fort Worth, Texas; Gary, Indiana; Minneapolis, MN; Pittsburg, Pennsylvania; and Stockton, California.
DMT will be sent to FEMA camp?
Supertopians will bake pie with hacksaw inside so that DMT can escape.
We will be watching the evening News live helicopter feed as DMT sprints across the California American foothills out running the tools .....
:-)
What do we have to do to get Portland incuded?
Right now, the local police are killing citizens at traffic stops and beating them to death because they are mentally ill.
There is a federal DOJ consent decree to stop it, because some people think that might not be cool, but it doesn't seem to help.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Jun 29, 2015 - 06:58pm PT
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Tranquilo Cragman....you conservatives have never had it so good, the Supreme Court is stacked with right wing ideologues.
God would I love to see a second coming of a Warren Court.
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
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Jun 29, 2015 - 08:09pm PT
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Edit:
How can a certain group of people (LGBT) force another group of people (people of faith) to go against their moral and religious conscience and to go against G-d's eternal Torah and force them out of business because they refuse to perform a service celebrating a gay marriage that is clearly contrary to that business person's religious faith? How is this bullying permissible when that same gay couple marrying can go down the street and hire another service who has no qualms about spitting in G-d's face.
The LGBT community is a massive bully and going against our Constitutional First Admendment. Perhaps they want to start rounding up people of faith as in the Holocaust and gasing them because they do not and will not accept their lifestyle as legitimate. It isn't its sin.
Welcome to The Last Days, when Good is called evil, and evil is called Good.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Jun 29, 2015 - 08:12pm PT
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Which also, very importantly, means freedom from religion, a freedom many parts of the world don't enjoy....much to their dismay.
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the Fet
climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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Jun 29, 2015 - 08:25pm PT
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Blueblcr marriage is much older than Christianity. And the bible allows for polygamy. So I don't think you should take the bible as the end all be all source for what marriage is. You can believe what you want but it doesn't change what I and many other people think and it doesn't change the laws of the USA.
Cragman it is up to the federal govt to protect the rights of the minority. Just like civil rights in the 1960s.
The idea that all men are created equal will naturally transend any artificial limits placed upon it. Equal started as meaning only white male landowners. Slowly all these limits are erased because the idea of equality eventually becomes self evident that it means everybody. The idea was better than the men who created it.
And personally I feel that there is no real injury to the people against gay marriage if it's allowed. It only offends them it doesn't have any real direct negative impact on their lives. While keeping marriage from gay people automatically labels them as second class citizens and if there's no civil unions, which some states did not allow, they can't visit their loved ones when they are sick. Etc.
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Jun 29, 2015 - 08:30pm PT
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Waiting for the new-multifactorial graphs.
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Jun 29, 2015 - 08:37pm PT
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NOT laws, interpretations.
Money doesn't talk, or does it?
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Ghost
climber
A long way from where I started
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Jun 29, 2015 - 08:41pm PT
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How can a certain group of people (LGBT) force another group of people (people of faith) to go against their moral and religious conscience and to go against G-d's eternal Torah and force them out of business because they refuse to perform a service celebrating a gay marriage that is clearly contrary to that business person's religious faith?
So Klimmer, what would you say to someone who, on religious principle, refused to serve black people in his business? Would that be okay with you? Plenty of fine, upstanding American citizens cited religious authority in the enslavement, disenfranchisement, and persecution of blacks. You cool with that? Or is it just gays that you want to persecute?
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Stewart
Trad climber
Courtenay, B.C.
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Jun 29, 2015 - 08:49pm PT
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Klimmer: Your pathetic trust in a god that you have invented to back up such infantile beliefs is laughable.
BUT
Your attempt to link the plight of bigots to the innocents who died in the Holocaust isn't just contemptible, nor is it merely a betrayal of their memory - it is an act of evil.
P.S.: Too bad your all-powerful god couldn't teach you how to spell simple words.
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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Jun 29, 2015 - 08:59pm PT
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ghost^^^Instead of just making crap up deal with what actually occured.
The christian owned cake store didn't refuse the gay couple from buying cupcakes. They refused to sell them a wedding cake. They weren't descriminating against gay's. They descriminated against being part of a gay wedding. There is a bit of a difference.
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Ghost
climber
A long way from where I started
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Jun 29, 2015 - 09:04pm PT
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ghost^^^Instead of just making crap up deal with what actually occured.
The christian owned cake store didn't refuse the gay couple from buying cupcakes. They refused to sell them a wedding cake. They weren't descriminating against gay's. They descriminated against being part of a gay wedding.
How is what you just said any different from saying: "The christian owned cake store didn't refuse the black couple from buying cupcakes. They refused to sell them a wedding cake. They weren't descriminating against blacks. They descriminated against being part of a black wedding."
There is a bit of a difference.
No there isn't.
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