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pud
climber
Sportbikeville & Yucca brevifolia
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Jun 21, 2015 - 08:38pm PT
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Your opening quote gives a clear view into your twisted psyche.
this cancerous love affair so many citizens of the U.S. have with firearms. Law abiding citizens with guns are not the problem.
Fanatics are.
Tim Mcveigh didn't need a firearm to obliterate 168 souls and wound hundreds of others. Better laws were created to regulate ammonium nitrate because of tim, but no one wanted to outlaw explosives.
A lunatic killed 3 and wounded 30 with his car and a knife yesterday in Austria. Are you going to blame the car and knife?
If you think for a moment this type of thing hasn't happened throughout human history you naive, and that's putting it nicely.
The big difference was that it wasn't broadcast immediately to the entire world as it is today.
Lunatics and fanatics abound. Disarming yourself may not be the best way to deal with them.
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johnboy
Trad climber
Can't get here from there
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Jun 21, 2015 - 08:42pm PT
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BB, a lot of people here that think ISIS are followers of Islam?
Personally, I don't believe KKK's are anymore christian than ISIS are Islamic.
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MisterE
Gym climber
Being In Sierra Happy Of Place
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Jun 21, 2015 - 08:44pm PT
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MORE FACEPALM!
You're Karma is so full of violence it's unbelievable.
Stooopid Americans ....
My Karma recently ran over my Snoop Doggma
so I should be OK now, right?
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johnboy
Trad climber
Can't get here from there
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Jun 21, 2015 - 09:09pm PT
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I got an akarmabotomy on sale before the rush hits.
Apparently all Americans will need one soon.
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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Jun 21, 2015 - 09:28pm PT
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Yeah Johnboy. It's plain to see that the prince of lies roams freely over every sector in this world. Just like the bible warns. We all see it everyday all around us how lies corrupt minds. Just like we saw in this young kid murdering 9 innocent people. Just through the writings and the pictures he posted its easy for anyone to tell he all kinds of truths twisted about. One thing i find pertinent was he wasn't some down and out kid. From the pics you can see he lived in a very nice home. Where were the parents in all this?
Is it the structure of our modern family that breeds these lone suicidle terrorist?
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10b4me
Social climber
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Jun 21, 2015 - 09:31pm PT
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well for all those seemingly hating whites and cops, this is your day- a black perp shot and killed a Louisiana police officer who was white. I guess that's a double bonus for some of you , a cop and white..Here
The cop was black.
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son of stan
Boulder climber
San Jose CA
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Jun 21, 2015 - 10:47pm PT
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So do I.
The Vatican city dope connection appears to be solid if one
can judge by their recent advice.
And from people protected by a heavily armed security force.
Whats good for them is not good for the rest of us? Confusing.
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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Jun 21, 2015 - 11:10pm PT
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"Pope says weapons manufacturers can't call themselves Christian"
See this what I'm Say'in bout twisted truths. The pope didnt say that^^^.
What the pope said was; " businessmen who call themselves Christian and they manufacture weapons. That leads to a bit a distrust, doesn't it?" he said to applause.
Even right there he's being a little judgmental. Reuters is the one with the twisted headline. and that causes people like moose to talk under that lie.
Shame on Reuters.
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Stewart
Trad climber
Courtenay, B.C.
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Topic Author's Reply - Jun 21, 2015 - 11:19pm PT
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Moosedrool: Careful... BLUEBLOCKR had been kind enough to inform us that he alone has been anointed by God himself to do such things as interpret what the Sermon on the Mount is really about, although when asked to enlighten us lesser mortals as to its true meaning he has so far declined to respond.
He has also been too busy to offer a single syllable of sympathy to the surviving victims of the white trash who murdered so many of the members of the Charleston church congregation... not a single word of condolence to fellow Christians, probably because their faith in Jesus is so strong that they actually believe that He wants them to forgive the fanatic who destroyed so many innocent lives that day.
He and his buddies figure that it was partly the fault of these people that they died, since the parishioners weren't packing guns with them that day.
On the other hand, not only he has not expressed a single word of criticism towards the aforementioned white trash who did all the shooting, he offers one line platitudes in rejection of established facts about the evils of U.S. gun culture.
There are many good things to say about the U.S., but these legions of hate-crazed wannabe killers who pollute the fringes of society are not one of them.
What BLUEBLOCKR HAS had time to do is whine about how the outrage against these evil acts might actually interfere with the "rights" of he and his buddies to possess (and carry in public) all the the instruments of murder that they want.
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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Jun 21, 2015 - 11:39pm PT
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haha : ( what do you write for Reuters too?
You don't even know what I did as for condolences. Why would I put anything here, you think their relatives gonna be reading the taco tonight?
If you do write for Reuters would you learn the correct spelling of my name so you could atleast get that right. Eh.
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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Jun 22, 2015 - 12:01am PT
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yea well gotta keep these nOObs in line right?
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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Jun 22, 2015 - 12:24am PT
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Old? I'd rather say original.
Why did it take the pope 600yrs to figure out Jesus enough to start his own church? This isn't a joke.
And how are you suppose to be taken seriously when all you do is post those silly pics with a silly caption everywhere?
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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Jun 22, 2015 - 12:35am PT
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Don't you find it the least bit queer that all these problems we're having in the world today are coming from all these religions formed hundreds and even thousands of years after Jesus started His church? These are churches started by men, proclaiming their interpretation of what Jesus said to be the only right one. In a word. Religions.
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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Jun 22, 2015 - 01:01am PT
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He expressed his fear of three of them sitting there.
Get the story straight if you're going to refer to it. They weren't "sitting there." They got up and started to come over, all the while talking gangland smack as gangbangers do. You act like I was somehow wrong to feel fear. Ridiculous! Fear is an appropriate reaction to a situation like that, and if you had experience with the Inland Empire and East LA during those years you would have a tiny clue.
He brandished his gun to prevent what he thought might happen (fear). No speculation there.
You keep saying "brandished," but your repeating it doesn't make it true.
"Brandishing" is a legal term, and a holstered gun cannot be "exhibited, pointed, waved, or displayed in a threatening manner." Merely showing that one possesses a gun is not "brandishing" in any state I am aware of, and if a holstered gun was a "brandished" gun in the legal sense, open carry (which is legal in most states) would be ongoing brandishing. California does not allow open carry, so revealing a gun to threatening gang-bangers is literally the least threatening thing you can do to show them that you do not intend to just take whatever they intend to dish out.
Get off the "brandishing" kick, as you don't have the legal sense of it right.
His blaming anyone without a gun at all times to fend off an incident is just an extention of his fear.
Tremendous irony in that statement, Johnboy! See below....
I don't understand all the fear considering that all the data you you put up indicating how unlikely it is to ever happen.
Now poor Johnboy is hung on his own petard. Oh the irony....
You're between a rock and hard place of your own making.
If incidents like Charleston very rarely happen (which is indeed correct), then all your hand-wringing about how we just "have to do something" to "stop the violence" is entirely unfounded.
On the other hand, if incidents like Charleston happen "too much" as it is, then it is indeed reasonable to do a simple thing to protect oneself from such an eventuality.
Your emphasis on "fear" is your own fabrication. In a very few cases I have felt fear and have been happy I was armed. Had you been in such situations, you also would have felt fear, but you would have had no capacity to protect yourself.
The vast majority of the time, I slip my gun in the holster in the morning and then go the whole day without thinking about it, just as you do with your wallet. In fact, you have to deal with your wallet far more than I have to deal with my gun. I don't "worry" or live in fear, yet I know that should a situation arise that is threatening and would cause any normal person to feel fear, at least I have a fighting chance.
Neither I nor any other gun carrier I know feels like a superman. We are well aware of the fact that there are countless tactical issues that can work against us. All a gun does is give a person a fighting chance in bad situations. You don't have to live a life of fear to appreciate having a better chance than an unarmed person in such a situation.
Now, regarding the pastor....
http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/pastor-and-state-senator-remembered-for-preaching-calls-for-justice/2015/06/18/793c0162-15cc-11e5-89f3-61410da94eb1_story.html
He was both a pastor and a state senator, just as I said.
Furthermore, he had recently voted against a bill to expand concealed carry, even though that one was ultimately signed into law: S.308. The voting archives for bill H.3025 are not available, but that bill would have removed the statewide prohibition on concealed carry in churches. Given Pinckney's anti-gun voting record, it seems almost certain that he voted against H.3025 when it recently came before the state senate.
http://www.sgberman.com/2015/06/18/the-senseless-death-in-a-charleston-church-could-have-been-prevented/
Don't again pop off with the stupidity that I'm "blaming the victims." That's just flat ridiculous. I blame the young sicko whose name I won't even state. He is responsible for the violence and death.
That said, a great part of the tragedy is that the churchgoers were disallowed from legally having any capacity to defend themselves, and that lack of capacity is wrong! Pinckney had a strong anti-gun stance, and his anti-gun efforts did in fact help ensure that his flock would be unarmed, helpless victims. And that is both ironic and doubly tragic!
There simply are no gun free zones. Criminals abide by no such zones, and, if anything, they seek them out to ensure maximum access to soft targets before armed good guys can get to the scene. The zones are "gun free" only until they become a desirable target for some sicko, and then the sicko is the only one with a gun.
So, until you can ENSURE that criminals don't have guns (no way you can do that), you'll just have to accept that some of us take seriously the right to self-defense and will not wait helplessly for the cops to arrive far too late. It's not "living in fear" to invest the incredibly minimal effort to be able to have a fighting chance. I wish that the churchgoers in Charleston HAD had a genuine fighting chance.
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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Jun 22, 2015 - 01:24am PT
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They'd eat you for breakfast.
Prolly not if I tasted like bacon, Eh? I guess your social justice has everything to do about laws? Maybe kinda like how the pope is trying to direct political law now??
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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Jun 22, 2015 - 01:38am PT
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and you don't seem to understand 1 law, or 600? A law is a law.
Maybe try reading Romans. Is that in your bible?
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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Jun 22, 2015 - 01:51am PT
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My bacon reference had nothing to do with Jews. I am grafted.
It was an easy example of social justice through law.
Did you read any of the NEW Testament in those 12yrs, or were you to busy getting spanked? That's not an insult, it's a question.
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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Jun 22, 2015 - 02:02am PT
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Nine African-Americans were shot dead in their church. You trying to make a funny?
I don't think anything on this thread is funny. Sad actually. I e only tried to point at the surviving loved ones of the deceased have mostly if not all, gone in front of the perp and have forgiven him. THAT'S WHAT SHOULD BE CELEBRATED EVERYWHERE! These are followers of Christ!
But all the law abiding citizens only see revenge..
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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Jun 22, 2015 - 02:13am PT
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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Jun 22, 2015 - 02:16am PT
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The US government will punish his body. And God will deal with his soul.
Maybe a life in jail will bring awareness of what forgiveness entails? To receive it one must aquire the truth in his mind, and expose his heart to remorse. Then repent to The Lord for his soul to be saved.
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