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Tvash
climber
Seattle
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Ceci n'est pas un expert en France
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
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Comparative religions?
Science? Science education?
History?
Aficionado of cultural evolution?
Proponent of civilization?
Astrology? :)
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There will be a change in zeitgeist in france (less blind allegiance to "multiculturalism" for starters), wait n see.
In fact, feel that? It's already started.
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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HFCS:
*No climbing pics.
*No trip reports.
*Participation in climbing threads?
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
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No climbing pics... No trip reports. -Survival
Your point?
That's all you got? lol
You must not be a Bill Maher fan. :)
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Your point?
The point is that you like to come across as such a big shot with your big brain, on a climbing/climbers forum.
Let's hear something about your climbing background Mr. Expert On Everything.
Nothing more.
Actually I am a Bill Maher fan. So what?
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
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The point is that you like to come across as such a big shot with your big brain, on a climbing-climbers forum... Let's hear something about your climbing background Mr. Expert On Everything. -Survival
That's your projection. I don't describe myself in such terms. Nor do I identify with such a projection.
If anything, your post smells of a kind of anti-education or anti-expertise or anti-learning stance. Where I am incorrect on a matter in a post, please point it out.
Let's hear something...
I've climbed for 25 years. It's my second or third favorite sport. I've never dropped anybody. I've never been hurt. Knock on wood. That's enough. This isn't a climbing thread. There you go. ;)
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Tvash
climber
Seattle
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Not a single anti-Muslim here or anywhere has come up with even one suggested action as to how they intend to make Islam disappear.
Wait for the Revolution, I guess. And here I thought that was a progressive mantra.
The Chief's doing his usual narcissmo male dom strut - apparently not for a female audience (funny species, humans) - complete with his latest addition "Being 7 years old in Spain renders one an expert on contemporary France".
For realz - I must be a wine connoisseur, then.
Werner's probably the only one with the answer here, but he's not sharing it with the riff raff - which includes everyone but Werner.
WUS! (Wake Up, Sheeple!)
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
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Your wording is questionable.
Nobody's anti-muslim, I don't think, any more than they're anti-Christian. Nobody's thinking about making Islam disappear.
How about a simple (Islamic) upgrade? Don't you think Muslims, let alone Arabs and Persians and Afghanis, etc., esp women, would benefit from that? Reform. Upgrade. You know, in the way Judaism and Christianity have over the centuries?
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crankster
Trad climber
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Let's hear something about your climbing background Mr. Expert On Everything.
How is that relevant on a thread about a terror attack?
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Tvash
climber
Seattle
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Reform Islam? Who cares? How about reforming nations and their policies? How about separation of church and state, free expression, and equality under the law?
It seems that violent terrorists of the Parisien flavor aren't in need of reform - unless 'reform' includes being dead. Kudos to French law enforcement for their quick work.
So, Islamic World Experts - any specific suggestions as to how to make that transformation happen? Country? Specific policy? Strategy for effecting change?
Or, if secularization of such nations seems impossible, what's your strategy for reforming Islam. Pick a country and policy. Let's hear your plan.
I'm all ears.
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
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Crankster, thank you.
btw, curious as to your take on the Maher-Harris vs Affleck rift. (I like to parse libs these days, lol!)
If you care to give it, that is.
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Reform Islam? Who cares? -tvash
That is so non-sequitor (to put it charitably) - esp in the immediate aftermath of what many of us have just witnessed courtesy of social media and IT. Is it deserving of a response? No.
Can't resist this one though...
"how to make that transformation happen?"
It's happening. We're in the midst of it now.
We are witnesses to history. Islam's under more pressure to reform today than ever. Can't come soon enough!
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Tvash
climber
Seattle
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That's as good a plan as I've seen anywhere here, although I do miss the Fighting Soldiers From The Sky beat-off pics from the Googlez
What's the carrot for Islamic reform? I see a lot of sticks, but folks tend to prefer carrots.
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
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What's the carrot for Islamic reform?
Education.
Education of children. (eg, around the world, not just in Seattle.)
Education of girls. (eg, everywhere, esp patriarchal Abrahamic regions)
There are your carrots.
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crankster
Trad climber
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HFCS, Bill Maher is pushing the discussion in a necessary direction, in my opinion.
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
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Crankster,
Agree. Sam helps a lot, too. Imo.
With a carrot, too. (It's called a pen or keyboard also.)
Damn arrogant! atheists!! (see Gary, nother thread)
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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What's the carrot for Islamic reform?
Education.
Education
Education
They know that!
That's why the first targets for murder are teachers whether it's Boko Haram (education is forbidden), the Talaban or Islamonazis in Southern Thailand.
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
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Well, TGT, let's be impartial on this...
Christianity. It's evil-bearer: Satan. Also known as... Lucifer. Lucifer means... light-bearer (bearer of light) does it not?
Ancient Christianity and early Christianity certainly could've been more education-friendly and learning-oriented in the early days too.
What most separates Christianity and Islam today - as siblings of Abrahamic religious supernaturalism - is a series of reforms. Christianity had it already.
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re: bible system updates
I can't argue with this one...
http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2014/11/24/bible-system-updates
Nice find.
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couchmaster
climber
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Werner, let me guess what you are suggesting? False flag operation Ala the CIA and Mossad similar to the old Operazione Gladio they ran few years back? That explains the id card left in the car, the use of well timed multiple automobiles, the fast location of the perps and ...well, and about everything else?
Haha, I guessed it didn't I? We need a conspiracy theory tossed in here or there to keep folks thinking and guessing.
To get ya started on yer evening reading: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Gladio and http://wikispooks.com/wiki/Operation_Gladio
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Tvash
climber
Seattle
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Christianity has a long way to go in the reform department still. Even our gentle Methodists, our Catholics, and our Mormons are still officially anti-gay. It's not just the crazy evangelicals.
Step one: lead by example.
To that end, how many of you are actively involved, with your money and efforts, to further secularize our government and it's policies?
Dealing with religiously motivated violence will be a long haul. Western foreign policy certainly hasn't helped, although the US has improved quite a bit since the morons left executive office. Enter the Republican congress, however - their dime store ideas need no introduction.
Figuring out how to deal with as#@&%es without wiping out wedding parties in the process would also be a constructive development.
It's complicated, I reckon.
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