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WBraun
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Nov 17, 2014 - 12:59pm PT
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The only humans inventing stuff they know nothing about is the Tvashes and Jinguses.
They just make up sh!t as they go along hoping against all hope it sticks on something.
The word jugglers, mental speculators, theorists, along with the total clueless are always at the forefront to lead each other down the path.
All paths never lead to the same point like the so called fools always proclaim ......
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Tvash
climber
Seattle
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Nov 17, 2014 - 01:02pm PT
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That would be Jingies, no? I think you're word blending with Dingus.
Since we're all apparently 'a type', in need of pluralization, might I suggest the following convention:
Jingy - Jingies
Dingus - Dingi
MikeL - MikeLians
Jan - The Jan
Largo - Largons
Ward Trotter - Trotterskyites
Ed Hartouni - Hartounae
Bushman - Bush Persons
Marlow - Marløwer
WBraun - Unique alien/human hybrid. No plural necessary
Tvash - Inner Sanctum of the Most Wise and Awesome
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Jingy
climber
Somewhere out there
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Nov 17, 2014 - 01:37pm PT
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A stark demonstration of exceptional exceptional-ism, sir.
 Oh... wait....
I said that.
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Jan
Mountain climber
Colorado, Nepal & Okinawa
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Nov 17, 2014 - 10:07pm PT
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I just found another great video called "The History of God". It focuses on the three big monotheistic religions and how they have evolved over time. It's a crash course on the Old Testament from a spiritual point of view, especially the prophets, and it gave quite a lot of time over to discussing the religious ferment in the early centuries of Christianity and how we got to the formulas of today. It also included a lot of Eastern Orthodox theology which is different than what developed in the West. Last up was Islam, explained by non fundamentalists. Well worth watching if you are at all interested in religion, spirituality, or just the cultural evolution of humans in the Middle East and West during the past 4,000 years.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fx4m1SeQqmE
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MikeL
Social climber
Seattle, WA
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Nov 17, 2014 - 10:26pm PT
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WB: All paths never lead to the same point like the so called fools always proclaim ......
This is wrong and right on so many different levels.
One thing, it is the so-called fools who tend to see things as they are. It makes them appear like clowns, nihilists, sophists, unreasonable, and completely out-of-touch.
I’ve come to realize that I like being around people who are plugged-in spiritually, but don’t really need to talk about it all the time. But, . . . “regular things” . . . they all seem a bit absurd when looked at closely. And, good grief, what doesn’t?
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MH2
climber
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Nov 18, 2014 - 07:59am PT
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But, . . . “regular things” . . . they all seem a bit absurd when looked at closely. And, good grief, what doesn’t?
I remember saying words over and over to myself and being fascinated how they lost meaning. That was when I was 5 years old. I'm not sure I outgrew that phase.
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Tvash
climber
Seattle
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Nov 18, 2014 - 10:47am PT
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Say Barky Marky over and over and report back.
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jgill
Boulder climber
Colorado
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Nov 18, 2014 - 11:23am PT
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I remember saying words over and over to myself and being fascinated how they lost meaning (MH2)
om mani padme hum
The meditators should chime in on this.
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Jan
Mountain climber
Colorado, Nepal & Okinawa
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Nov 18, 2014 - 10:46pm PT
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I don't think a mantra ever loses its meaning in a universal sense but if it does its jobs, it enables the individual discursive mind to be shut down so the unconscious mind can be accessed.
Meanwhile, I've found another interesting video. This is one blueblocr and gobee in particular should watch.
It's about all the early Christian books which were not included in the New Testament when it was put together. Definitely an interesting survey of competing symbol systems.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lkn6q40Sb-o
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Larry Nelson
Social climber
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Nov 19, 2014 - 07:03am PT
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Since we're all apparently 'a type', in need of pluralization, might I suggest the following convention:
Jingy - Jingies
Dingus - Dingi
MikeL - MikeLians
Jan - The Jan
Largo - Largons
Ward Trotter - Trotterskyites
Ed Hartouni - Hartounae
Bushman - Bush Persons
Marlow - Marløwer
WBraun - Unique alien/human hybrid. No plural necessary
Tvash - Inner Sanctum of the Most Wise and Awesome
LMAO
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MH2
climber
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Nov 19, 2014 - 07:17am PT
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In what sense can the unconscious mind be accessed? If you become aware of it, is it still unconscious?
I like the Wikipedia entry on Om Mani Padme Hum.
On meaning:
"Mantras may be interpreted by practitioners in many ways, or even as mere sequences of sound whose effects lie beyond strict meaning."
Attributed to the 14th Dalai Lama:
"It is very good to recite the mantra Om mani padme hum, but while you are doing it, you should be thinking on its meaning, for the meaning of the six syllables is great and vast..."
These issues are not easy to find agreement on.
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Jan
Mountain climber
Colorado, Nepal & Okinawa
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Nov 19, 2014 - 12:49pm PT
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The Unconscious mind is so vast, that even when you access it, there's still plenty of mystery left. Only when you reach the state of emptiness has it all been revealed and dealt with.
As for mantras, why does it have to be either / or ?
Why can't we have a better understanding of the discursive religious, cultural and historical context and use it as a meditation device as well? For a lot of people chanting it is also a way of refraining from idle talk. In Tibetan Buddhism everything exists in at least three levels.
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Jan
Mountain climber
Colorado, Nepal & Okinawa
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Nov 19, 2014 - 12:57pm PT
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Interesting article in the New York Times yesterday about a woman helped finally by touch therapy after years of fairly fruitless talk therapy. The comments which followed were even more interesting. From them came the idea that below, deeper than, or foundational to, the conscious and unconscious minds is the "somatic" mind, or brain stem or reptilian part of the brain in evolution which controls the body.
The author talked about knots in her connective tissue from old injuries both physical and psychological, which were released by touch therapy and crying "body tears" of relief which were quite different than the emotional tears of release emanating from the unconscious mind. Many reader's comments verified similar experiences, including those of a couple of combat veterans suffering from PTSD who also experienced relief through that method.
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Ward Trotter
Trad climber
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Nov 19, 2014 - 03:35pm PT
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Interesting those aspects of the fundamental interactive nature of the various parts of the triune brain,and the peripheral nervous system.
Not long ago I read several anecdotal reports on the effectiveness of cold showers and/or ice immersions---of all things. One woman reported that during her entire life she suffered from being painfully shy, lacking the minimum of assertiveness, as well as depression and a child-like emotional dependence on others. After she started cold immersions all that changed and she began to look people straight in the eyes ,and for the first time express herself with confidence.
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WBraun
climber
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Nov 19, 2014 - 04:14pm PT
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The Unconscious mind is so vast .....
Mind is never unconscious, even not for a second.
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MH2
climber
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Nov 19, 2014 - 06:37pm PT
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'Curiouser and curiouser!'
'Oh, my poor little feet, I wonder who will put on your shoes and stockings for you now, dears? I'm sure I shan't be able! I shall be a great deal too far off to trouble myself about you: you must manage the best way you can; - but I must be kind to them,'
(Everything MH2 says also means 3 different things. At least.)
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Jan
Mountain climber
Colorado, Nepal & Okinawa
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Nov 19, 2014 - 10:12pm PT
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So I've noticed Mh2.
As for mind never being unconscious this side of death, that's probably true at a certain level. Perhaps better to say that then that the discurxive ego is often unconscious of the deeper levels of mind.
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