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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Oct 17, 2014 - 05:09pm PT
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Works for them!
http://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/africa-stems-ebola-border-closings-luck-26249603
Officials credit tighter border controls, good patient-tracking and other medical practices, and just plain luck with keeping Ebola confined mostly to Liberia, Sierra Leone and Guinea since the outbreak was first identified nearly seven months ago.
Border closings may also be helping halt the spread of Ebola.
Ivory Coast, Guinea-Bissau and Senegal, all of which share borders with at least one of the three most affected countries, have closed those borders.
The disease continues to ravage Liberia, Guinea and Sierra Leone, overwhelming their health systems.
If this disease had originated in Norway there would have been a travel ban nine months ago.
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John M
climber
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Oct 17, 2014 - 05:21pm PT
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If the CDC had been working on DESEASE CONTROL instead of 350k grants to study rabbit massage, bike path studies and all the other non germane activities that now constitute most of their efforts and consume most of their budget, maybe they'd be a bit more prepared and not making complete fools of themselves.
If this is what you wanted, then why didn't your party, the republicans, do anything like this when it was in charge? Instead of gutting it with budget cuts.
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Oct 17, 2014 - 05:25pm PT
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Read the Post article!
On many levels, this line of attack is absurd.
Obama’s Republican predecessor oversaw big increases in public-health sector spending, and both Democrats and Republicans in recent years have broadly supported efforts to rein in federal spending. Sequestration resulted from a bipartisan agreement. In some years, Congress has allocated more money for NIH and CDC than the Obama administration requested. Meanwhile, contrary to the suggestion of the DCCC ad, there never was a specific vote on funding to prevent Ebola.
There’s no doubt that spending has been cut, or at least failed to keep pace with inflation, but the fingerprints of both parties are on the knives. This blame game earns Four Pinocchios.
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WBraun
climber
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Oct 17, 2014 - 05:26pm PT
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It's now airborn, weaponized and more than 5000 are infected.
Marshall law coming and all supertopo politards are going to be sent to FEMA camps ......
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bergbryce
climber
East Bay, CA
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Oct 17, 2014 - 05:37pm PT
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Ivory Coast, Guinea-Bissau and Senegal, all of which share borders with at least one of the three most affected countries, have closed those borders.
This probably works where border crossings consist of a handful of dirt roads made for ox drawn carts instead of thousands of entry points with a very international population. This is NOT Mayberry.
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BBA
climber
OF
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Oct 17, 2014 - 05:41pm PT
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The weaponization will occur when the radical islam guys infect a suicide ebola bomber who comes to the valley and vomits on the death slab fixed lines.
The FEMA camp will be set up near Lone Pine where the Japanese Americans were sent in WWII. The camp will have better food than the concessionaire in the valley, and climbers will flock to it after they see it has a good bouldering in the Alabama Hills.
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Oct 17, 2014 - 05:59pm PT
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Hmm,
Don't they still stamp visas?
How hard is it to say if you have a visa from or a stamp on your visa from a country with an outbreak there's a different line for you and you can't just get on the plane.
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KabalaArch
Trad climber
Starlite, California
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Oct 17, 2014 - 06:02pm PT
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Doubt if it'll hit, say, India. I mean, who from West Africa would want to go there?
Of course, if someone does...
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Oct 17, 2014 - 06:05pm PT
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Oct 17, 2014 - 06:09pm PT
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To start with the constitutionally mandated duty to protect the borders.
Two ridiculous statements in one post. Bravo.
First this has nothing to do with 'protect the borders' which has become an absolutely moronic meme of the right. It has to do with disease control and in today's world borders really aren't much more relevant in disease control than with money coming and going across our borders 24x7. Do you really think constitutional fundamentalists, were they in power, could 'protect the [southern] border' from Chikungunya? Dengue? Malaria? Where's the border outcry for them?
Hell, it's the same sort of ludicrous mindset that's driving the anti-govt/anti-vaccine idiots and causing a far worse public health crisis across the nation than ebola. And you want to 'protect the borders' from ebola? By any rational, common sense definition that would have meant a massive, instant, joint EU/US response in West Africa from day one, but all the neocon adventurism has left a bad taste in everyone's mouth for all things international, particularly the right and libertarians who are in hysterics over our troops in Africa setting up treatment centers.
Seriously? Bottom line? If your response to emerging and infectious diseases happens at 'the borders', you are already so f*#ked as to be laughable. It's why we fund flu monitoring in Southern China.
If anything, the most unfortunate aspect of all this is that ebola made it's landfall in the South where it's rapidly been taking advantage of generally more laid-back and 'inexact' attitudes and cultural norms.
If the feds had been doing their job the first patient would have never got here. (and we wouldn't be dealing with dead children from enterovirus that came with the recent invasion of illegals)
Enterovirus D68 was first identified in '62 in Cali and the first deaths in this outbreak were children in Michigan and New Jersey and neither case was immigration related.
But then your comment is no surprise. This is exactly the sort of conflating inflammatory drama and fear-mongering which represents the very lifeblood right's political strategy over the past forty years. And how convenient that it breaks just when fear of blacks, gays and immigrants have lost their political currency outside of an insular, circle-jerk world of the right. Hell, maybe someone should check to make sure it wasn't Karl Rove who bought Thomas Duncan's ticket to Dallas.
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bergbryce
climber
East Bay, CA
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Oct 17, 2014 - 06:12pm PT
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Thank you. You put it much better than I possibly could.
Infectious diseases don't care about lines on maps.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Oct 17, 2014 - 06:15pm PT
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Retarded comments about "big government" and "small government"...
Coming from someone who actually reads infowars - you know, the folks who pride themselves on their attempts to lower the American IQ a little bit every single day - I'll take that as a compliment.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Oct 17, 2014 - 06:18pm PT
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And the heroes deliviering "massive response" in Africa would be you and your family, I assume?
No, that would you and the other morons who don't think it's the government's job to do these sorts of things or that you and your armed posse can do things so much better. Well, boys, here's your chance to really 'protect the borders' - suit up and head for Africa.
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Kalimon
Social climber
Ridgway, CO
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Oct 17, 2014 - 06:20pm PT
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What will be the extent of the outbreak inside the U.S. before real common sense proticols, including travel restrictions, are put in place?
Excellent question! Weren't we discussing this a week ago? There are still no comprehensive travel bans/restrictions in place . . . seems like this should be the first defense in the containment "effort".
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Oct 17, 2014 - 06:26pm PT
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Excellent question! Weren't we discussing this a week ago? There are still no comprehensive travel bans/restrictions in place . . . seems like this should be the first defense in the containment "effort".
You'd have to shut down ALL international flights. Period. Anything less would be ineffective. Ain't going to happen and, again, that isn't where or how you fight this kind of fight.
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bergbryce
climber
East Bay, CA
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Oct 17, 2014 - 08:04pm PT
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No, that would you and the other morons who don't think it's the government's job to do these sorts of things or that you and your armed posse can do things so much better. Well, boys, here's your chance to really 'protect the borders' - suit up and head for Africa.
and.....???
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john hansen
climber
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Oct 17, 2014 - 08:13pm PT
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It seems to me they should come up with a training system where they contaminate the suits with a substance that glows in ultraviolet light.
So after they remove the protective gear they can spot if there is any contamination after removal of the PPE
This would help nurses and doctors learn the correct steps in gearing up and then maybe more importantly , removing the gear with out being exposed.
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zBrown
Ice climber
Brujò de la Playa
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Oct 17, 2014 - 08:19pm PT
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Can't verify the numbers, but reported as of 8-21-2014
The global death toll from Ebola stands at 1,229, with the bulk of cases in Liberia, Guinea and Sierra Leone.
10-17-2014
the months-long outbreak in West Africa, where all but a few of the roughly 9,200 reported Ebola cases and 4,555 deaths have occurred, according to the World Health Organization.
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WBraun
climber
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Oct 17, 2014 - 08:38pm PT
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American will be hosed.
ISIS will spread ebola with crop dusters.
Americans will all become zombies.
The forecast is on Halloweeny .....
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