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Off White
climber
Tenino, WA
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Seemed to me that Matt just provided a condensed version of the slanderous conclusions to be found in this (and other) threads, not that it was necessarily his opinion.
The bit about the WoS lads and Pride seemed like his opinion though, and a reasonable assertion to boot.
I didn't think Meaty was particularly anonymous, didn't it get posted that he was Dimitri Barton? (apologies if I've got that wrong) Seems like a lot of the principals in this dustup are pretty known characters, though it's entirely possible there are some Battenesque puppets in play as well.
Me, I'm strictly peanut gallery, and yes, people do indeed call me Off out in the flesh and blood universe too.
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atchafalaya
climber
Babylon
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"Well, Matt, that's quite a steaming pile you've laid on the thread."
Don't cut yourself short Healy. Havent you dominated quite a few steamers in here as well?
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Hardman Knott
Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
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Dude, that's fuçked up...
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JuanDeFuca
Big Wall climber
Stoney Point
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Damm I wish this thread would die!!!!!!
Please no more Wings of Steel!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
http://www.britneyspears.com/
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Definitely in the nose of the beholder atchafalaya - feel free to point out any you found malodorous or otherwise laying on a rank foundation of ranting.
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Matt
Trad climber
primordial soup
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healyje- i laid it on purpose
dweebie-
re: "This thread WAS dying until you bumped it with your supposed plead that we drop the issue"
bull, it was dying 100 posts ago too, it will go on forever, only to be reborn later. the only solution is to make it suck, and make it suck for everyone, so nobody will revive it anymore!
judy- ain't pride one of those 7 deadly sins? that's the relevance, in this case, just as it's been relevant in the past when you've advocated for the slaughter of millions...
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Matt
Trad climber
primordial soup
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re:What does sashaying with the locals or doing previous routes have to do with putting up FA's? Nothing whatsoever in my book. What big walls did the first big wall climbers climb before they did their first big wall? And who did they sashay with prior to doing it? "
well let's see, who did the 1st big wall and how did he do it?
should everyone be up on el cap and every other cliff w/ dolt carts?
or should practices evolve and improve?
are all ethics individual, and are all individuals responsibe to no other, in every case?
or do some reach concencus, and then somehow encourage, instruct, or even lean on others to conform?
if you ever go off and discover some undiscovered cragg, well good for you and have at it, i guess you can then develop it however you like, but you'd better believe that if you are putting up new routes in ANY area with any sort of established traditional ethic (let alone the grandfather of traditional ethics), you'd better be paying some attention to what the locals there find acceptable. i don't care if you sashay or not, but your above post is RIDICULOUS. robbins may have changed his mind on his way up WEML, but he went up there to erase the route, which was but an extreme example of a common and well established practice. there is a reason that we se sport areas and trad areas, and that reason isn't because nobody cares what the locals think...
(what a dumb f*#king post, and while calling MY post a pile? at least i was 1/2-way trolling as many as i could in one shot! maybe i should pass you something to wipe with?)
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Watusi
Social climber
Newport, OR
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Yeah, Yeah, Yeah!! COOL!
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dirtineye
Trad climber
the south
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Behold meaty, poster child for all that is right about an ignore button.
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Walla Walla, WA
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Meaty, I had vowed to not respond to any more CLIMBING talk on this thread, but I do think I can make a positive contribution to this thread having nothing to do with the climbing discussion.
You wrote: "Get a clue you f*#ktards, your full of sh#t." Actually, I think you meant to say, "... you're full of sh#t."
It's a common mistake. Your welcome in advance.
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mojede
Trad climber
Butte, America
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It sounds like a Freudian Slip, not a mistake. When one can't deny anymore, they chastise unrespectfully to sound convincing. True colors are shining through on this saga.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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"...but you'd better believe that if you are putting up new routes in ANY area with any sort of established traditional ethic (let alone the grandfather of traditional ethics), you'd better be paying some attention to what the locals there find acceptable."
I get out to climb rocks, not socialize or check-in, and couldn't give a rats ass about what people think when I put up a route. I don't do it for them and don't give a f*#k where it's at - I really failed Hero Worship 101 in that respect. And my ethics? I'll them stack against anyone's here and from what I heard in Ammon's report the only problems with WoS were strictly cultural. And it's still all there in the rock unless, god forbid, the rain has washed the evidence of their atrocities away - and if that's the case, all the routes you folks have put up there over the years should be so blessed with such a convenient rinse.
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Magnum
Boulder climber
fresno, ca
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"MEATY" is a little bitch for deleting his previous posts.
nuff said.
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Off White
climber
Tenino, WA
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C'mon Joseph, you may give a rats ass what people say about how you put up a route, but you've got plenty to say about how others put up their routes.
Whoa, Meaty did delete his posts, that's kind of weird.
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Meaty
climber
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dude if you want to f*#k my ass just say so faggot. Magnum
Oh, so your ass is bleeding, eh tough guy? Piss off Magnum and go back to your circle jerk with Randy and PTPP and the rest of you assf*#ks.
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Minerals
Social climber
The Deli
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This thread is "older" than everyone involved combined!!!
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Magnum
Boulder climber
fresno, ca
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Dude, dont be a puto man.
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Meaty
climber
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Meaty- everybody who matters to you knows the route is blemished. Let it go and find stuff to smile about. it ain't here....
Yeah, I know that, I am being accused of shitting on the ropes of these two chumps and have tried to defend myself. Who the f*#k cares about this climb? Just a group of ignorant fools. But their pals haven't heard the end of this.
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