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Reeotch
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4 Corners Area
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Apr 25, 2014 - 07:00am PT
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I certainly hope that's the case, Reily. But there's a lot of money to be made by starting another war. We couldn't get it done in Syria (did you see Joe Biden drooling over that one, I bet he was pissed when the people said NO!) seems the hawks won't be happy until we get another proxy war with Russia going.
This was all predicted when the USSR fell. We need an enemy! And, the terrorism excuse has been wearing thin.
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dirtbag
climber
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Apr 25, 2014 - 09:39am PT
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N.W.O. is a bunch of pussies.
Now S.P.E.C.T.R.E...they're a force to reckon with.
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Apr 25, 2014 - 12:04pm PT
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My only fear is that Kerry
will delude the Ukrainians into thinking we have their back so they poke
Putin too hard and he swings back.
Unfortunately that has been an oft repeated policy error with numerous erstwhile allies going all the way back to even before the signing of the Constitution.
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dirtbag
climber
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Apr 25, 2014 - 04:41pm PT
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New World Order (not our NWO):
Youre a bunch of pussies.
Gorby, Bushes, Kissinger: Do you hear me? Fukk you.
Now come chemtrail my ass.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Apr 25, 2014 - 08:15pm PT
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It's funny that many anti-war people are skeptical of this global alliance of power-brokers. They decide what they want and then create a reason for conflict, and hence, war.
The Kosovo-Serb war was a good example in the 90's. Pipeline though the area was the desire. Paint Serbs as bad guys against innocent "ethnic" Albanians.
Iraq was similar, but Saddam made the mistake of giving us a somewhat legit excuse to attack him, and remove him.
Removing Mubarrak from Egypt, Ghaddafi from Libya, and Assad from Syria are all mistakes.
These are moves to install monetarily-friendly regimes to us.
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sandstone conglomerate
climber
sharon conglomerate central
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Apr 25, 2014 - 08:28pm PT
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The Kosovo-Serb war was senseless, much like Iraq, much like the Ukrainian situation is shaping up to be. Neighbors killing each other over nothing. Dubya, Cheney, and Rumsfeld should be brought up on war charges for that Iraq bullsh#t. Obama should never have gotten the Nobel Peace Prize, and Afghanistan is still the quagmire it's been since the middle ages.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Apr 26, 2014 - 12:48am PT
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Bruce, it is as I sat it is.
The Serbs were on defense first.
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Apr 26, 2014 - 10:16am PT
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Wait a minute, I thought I was supposed to be afraid of Mexicans invading!
Then it was uppity blacks in the white house.
Now it's Kissinger and some old hag?
I was so looking forward to our new Latina overlords...
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Apr 26, 2014 - 01:16pm PT
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Survival, be careful about what you wish for.
And what do hot Latinas and Albanians have to do with Youkraine?
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Apr 26, 2014 - 05:51pm PT
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New world order, disease, girls, heartbreak, music, they all go together.
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WBraun
climber
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Apr 26, 2014 - 06:16pm PT
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“Because the United States itself has a long record of supporting terrorists and using terrorist tactics,
the slogans of today’s war on terrorism merely makes the United States look hypocritical to the rest of the world.”
– Professor William Odom, Ronald Reagan’s NSA Director.
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WBraun
climber
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Apr 26, 2014 - 06:18pm PT
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The independent Intel community is certain that the US embassy was fully aware of what went on with their full approval,
including the killings, because it served some Geo-political goals the US had for the region… undermining Russia.
Mad Man McCain even told us that after Ukraine, Putin was next.
You just can’t make this stuff up.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Apr 26, 2014 - 06:53pm PT
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Goddamn bluering you're as offensive as ever. Someone needs to slap the sh#t out of you.
I'm all in. I know the Serbs got f*#ked. You could know too, if ya wanted to.
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MattB
Trad climber
Tucson
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Apr 26, 2014 - 07:24pm PT
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how many russian secret agents in ukraine, europe, us, canada
Vs
How many us/€ agents in ukaine, russia?
Russia is near totalitarian/despotic/fascist plus expansionist
US is preoccupied by bundy/merkin idol/kittens/korean ferry boats
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MattB
Trad climber
Tucson
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Apr 26, 2014 - 07:32pm PT
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And what do assad mubarrak and kadafi have to do with u.s. and russia?????????
who removed who?
serbia?!?
Crimea, pipelines. US relations in uzbekistan, other former soviet states.
US is too open/apalogetic, russia is crazy secretive/stubborn
Edit
Reading more posts above,
Traitorous posts from some, and I think falling into murky rus counter-op bs
isn't the punishment execution?
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TomCochrane
Trad climber
Santa Cruz Mountains and Monterey Bay
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Apr 27, 2014 - 12:38am PT
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Washington Drives The World To War — Paul Craig Roberts
April 14, 2014
The CIA director was sent to Kiev to launch a military suppression of the Russian separatists in the eastern and southern portions of Ukraine, former Russian territories for the most part that were foolishly attached to the Ukraine in the early years of Soviet rule.
Washington’s plan to grab Ukraine overlooked that the Russian and Russian-speaking parts of Ukraine were not likely to go along with their insertion into the EU and NATO while submitting to the persecution of Russian speaking peoples. Washington has lost Crimea, from which Washington intended to eject Russia from its Black Sea naval base. Instead of admitting that its plan for grabbing Ukraine has gone amiss, Washington is unable to admit a mistake and, therefore, is pushing the crisis to more dangerous levels.
If Ukraine dissolves into secession with the former Russian territories reverting to Russia, Washington will be embarrassed that the result of its coup in Kiev was to restore the Russian provinces of Ukraine to Russia. To avoid this embarrassment, Washington is pushing the crisis toward war.
The CIA director instructed Washington’s hand-picked stooge government in Kiev to apply to the United Nations for help in repelling “terrorists” who with alleged Russian help are allegedly attacking Ukraine. In Washington’s vocabulary, self-determination is a sign of Russian interference. As the UN is essentially a Washington-financed organization, Washington will get what it wants.
The Russian government has already made it completely clear some weeks ago that the use of violence against protesters in eastern and southern Ukraine would compel the Russian government to send in the Russian army to protect Russians, just as Russia had to do in South Ossetia when Washington instructed its Georgian puppet ruler to attack Russian peacekeeping troops and Russian residents of South Ossetia.
Washington knows that the Russian government cannot stand aside while one of Washington’s puppet states attacks Russians. Yet, Washington is pushing the crisis to war.
The danger for Russia is that the Russian government will rely on diplomacy, international organizations, international cooperation, and on the common sense and self-interest of German politicians and politicians in other of Washington’s European puppet states.
For Russia this could be a fatal mistake. There is no good will in Washington, only mendacity. Russian delay provides Washington with time to build up forces on Russia’s borders and in the Black Sea and to demonize Russia with propaganda and whip up the US population into a war frenzy. The latter is already occurring.
Kerry has made it clear to Lavrov that Washington is not listening to Russia. As Washington pays well, Washington’s European puppets are also not listening to Russia. Money is more important to European politicians than humanity’s survival.
In my opinion, Washington does not want the Ukraine matters settled in a diplomatic and reasonable way. It might be the case that Russia’s best move is immediately to occupy the Russian territories of Ukraine and re-absorb the territories into Russia from whence they came. This should be done before the US and its NATO puppets are prepared for war. It is more difficult for Washington to start a war when the objects of the war have already been lost. Russia will be demonized with endless propaganda from Washington whether or not Russia re-absorbs its traditional territories. If Russia allows these territories to be suppressed by Washington, the prestige and authority of the Russian government will collapse. Perhaps that is what Washington is counting on.
If Putin’s government stands aside while Russian Ukraine is suppressed, Putin’s prestige will plummet, and Washington will finish off the Russian government by putting into action its many hundreds of Washington-financed NGOs that the Russian government has so foolishly tolerated. Russia is riven with Washington’s Fifth columns.
In my opinion, the Russian and Chinese governments have made serious strategic mistakes by remaining within the US dollar-based international payments system. The BRICS and any others with a brain should instantly desert the dollar system, which is a mechanism for US imperialism. The countries of the BRICS should immediately create their own separate payments system and their own exclusive communications/Internet system.
Russia and China have stupidly made these strategic mistakes, because reeling from communist failures and oppressions, they naively assumed that Washington was pure, that Washington was committed to its propagandistic self-description as the upholder of law, justice, mercy,and human rights.
In fact, Washington, the “exceptional, indispensable country,” is committed to its hegemony over the world. Russia, China, and Iran are in the way of Washington’s hegemony and are targeted for attack.
The attack on Russia is mounting.
About Dr. Paul Craig Roberts
Paul Craig Roberts was Assistant Secretary of the Treasury for Economic Policy and associate editor of the Wall Street Journal. He was columnist for Business Week, Scripps Howard News Service, and Creators Syndicate. He has had many university appointments. His internet columns have attracted a worldwide following. Roberts' latest books are The Failure of Laissez Faire Capitalism and The Failure of Laissez Faire Capitalism and Economic Dissolution of the West and How America Was Lost.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Apr 27, 2014 - 05:08am PT
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The US would be wise to ratchet-down this thing. Also, we have no leadership capable of dealing with this right now.
Step back....
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