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thebravecowboy
Social climber
Colorado Plateau
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I do appreciate the fulfillment that the dog gets from the teamwork and service. I do.
Still though, I guess to me it sounds like you are lazy when you say that no birds besides turkeys can be hunted without dogs.
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HighTraverse
Trad climber
Bay Area
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Ron
you exaggerate
NV populations would be such that there wouldnt be a game animal or livestock left I see the deer population wax and wane up here on my mountain. When Felis Concolor is around, there are few deer. Most move away, a very few are killed.
It's the natural ebb and flow of wild populations. When there's less prey, predators have smaller litters or fewer of the newborn survive. Then the rabbits or deer repopulate.
I figure you know this.
The deer and ground animal population has plummeted here because of one poor followed by two really bad rain years. There are VERY few coyotes around this year. They've been replaced by a couple of foxes. Which, judging by their scat, are currently climbing fruit trees to get food.
There are more mt lion sightings in the area. I expect because they too have to range further to get enough to eat.
The usual great horned owls are gone. I had one or two every night for years. Often 4 or 5 at night down the canyon. Haven't seen one in 6 months. Haven't heard one since about Thanksgiving. I doubt lions get them. Even the quail are scarce, not likely lion prey.
I walk my dog early every morning, a couple of times in daylight and late every night. I see the animals' scats (which is how I know the foxes are eating mainly fruit). Plenty of lion scat around. I have a pretty good idea of the local animal census as do many of my neighbors.
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HighTraverse
Trad climber
Bay Area
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Everything else requires a dog to find it or retrieve it, or both. Not for Tom to find or chase down. Nor for a couple of other avid hunters I know. Sure, to retrieve, especially from water.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Somewhere, there's a guy who doesn't use a gun.
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thebravecowboy
Social climber
Colorado Plateau
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Funny Ron, with all the missing pets around here, you would think that no one goes out into the desert with their varmint guns and camo and little boy machismo to blow away 'yotes. Or traps and maims and then 'hunts' the feline predators. But they do. And still the pets go missing.
Seems to me that someone so fixated on killing sh#t might just keep loosing rounds whether it is a house cat or a wildcat. Seems to me that perhaps the predators that are the sickest and most threatening are not the native 'yotes and big cats. Seems to me.
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zBrown
Ice climber
Brujo de La Playa
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What if they just said "OK, go ahead and use the dogs, but instead of shooting a bear in a tree, you have to shoot yourself in the foot".
The hunter can then go on home and tell how he kicked some bear's ass and got the sore foot to prove it.
I met Wille Dixon and I can assure you he never hunted a bear in his life.
Willie Dixon on safari wiht Hooker and King, note no gunzz.
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jonnyrig
Trad climber
formerly known as hillrat
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Seems to me some of you just have an anti-hunting bug up your a*#.
Whatever. I'm out. I don't give a sh#t what you think any more.
Thanks for convincing me not to give a f*#k.
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jonnyrig
Trad climber
formerly known as hillrat
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Jan 10, 2014 - 01:05am PT
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some can, some can,t. but if ya can,t argue about it, then it,s just not entertaining. no more argument outa me. fame em or flame em, it,s just not worth it anymore.
kisses? nah... already had a chick with stubble. yuck.
just keep cookin, it,ll all be fine.
try strawberries sauteed in syrup and add a bit of instant coffee crystals to it for yer next batch o french toast. and it,s meat free.
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Harvey Manfrenjensen
Big Wall climber
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Jan 10, 2014 - 02:34am PT
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Stop projecting Dingus
It's not subtle
Just embrace your inner redneck
You know it to be true
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Jan 10, 2014 - 10:24am PT
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Well Sonny wasn't treed with dogs.
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HighTraverse
Trad climber
Bay Area
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Jan 10, 2014 - 12:50pm PT
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WTF
could've been worse...think nettles!
And now back to your usual programming.
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Jim Clipper
climber
from: forests to tree farms
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Jan 10, 2014 - 01:42pm PT
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People hunt with "good" dogs, because it works. Dogs hunt with people because they get fed, and we've been able to exploit some of their behaviors. (Dogs can pretty good at manipulating us too).
It seems like we've always exploited available technology. The technology just keeps getting "better".
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My uncle said that my grandfather and his friends used to hunt wild pigs on Hawaii with knives. He said my grandpa was usually the first to jump in.
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Killing things is inherently violent. Also, bacon and cheeseburgers taste good. I just heard about a new study that shows removing top predators from a community has dramatic effects on other organisms, and even the landscape. Perhaps another question is, what kind of world do we want to live in (leave for our kids? That is my final answer/question/post.
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Jim Clipper
climber
from: forests to tree farms
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Jan 10, 2014 - 02:01pm PT
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they keep pulling me back in.....
maybe there is lots of prey because there are fewer predators. please see post above
just saying'
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HighTraverse
Trad climber
Bay Area
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Jan 10, 2014 - 02:38pm PT
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Who else but the Eagles (and other raptors), Coyotes and Foxes would clean up the mess?
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scuffy b
climber
heading slowly NNW
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Jan 10, 2014 - 02:40pm PT
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Ron--
The singular form of "species" is "species."
One species, two species, several species.
Specie refers to coinage, not life forms.
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Jim Clipper
climber
from: forests to tree farms
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Jan 10, 2014 - 02:48pm PT
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Ron,
I'm not picking on you. It is species, singular or plural. Also, some hunters are conservationists. Ducks Unlimited has done a lot to increase waterfowl habitat. Rangeland grashopper not so much. Still, unfortunately, until something has an economic value, people often don't give a rat's ass about it.
We believe what we believe.
From some rag called Science :
http://www.registerguard.com/rg/news/local/30976823-75/carnivores-populations-ripple-science-ecological.html.csp
Also, google keystone predation, otters, starfish, for some classic, elegant research.
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this just in
climber
north fork
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Jan 10, 2014 - 02:51pm PT
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Californians suck so bad at hunting that deer have to commit suicide. From Mammoth Pools DMT.
The lake was partly frozen over and this buck and another attempted to cross, but failed. My buddy found their fresh corpses a week and a half earlier. We spooked a Golden Eagle feeding on what little remained.
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zBrown
Ice climber
Brujo de La Playa
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Jan 10, 2014 - 10:00pm PT
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Maybe Californians can't hunt because they're all out at sea, where the real hunt is.
Kirk Douglas certainly was. Suckit!
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this just in
climber
north fork
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Jan 14, 2014 - 12:47pm PT
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Saw some fresh tracks Saturday at 8000'. It was dropping to lower elevation and I was thinking it's a bad year when the bears aren't hibernating. We need winter. The bears here aren't acclimated to humans.
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