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John M

climber

Nov 14, 2013 - 02:08am PT

Getting bent, one way or the other, about flags and such is a fool's errand

Yep.

DMT

there are exceptions to this belief.

Dr.Sprock

Boulder climber

I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!

Nov 14, 2013 - 10:28am PT

this is OT, but

can someone help me with erectile dysfunction?

Reilly

Mountain climber

The Other Monrovia- CA

Nov 14, 2013 - 11:58am PT

Locker, dontchya just love being told how to walk in another man's shoes?

dirt claud

Social climber

san diego,ca

Nov 14, 2013 - 12:28pm PT

"Incidentally, mixed girl just told to straighten her hair at my girlfriend's firm for the job interview, so she'd look more white."

This is what they said or this is your conclusion?

dirt claud

Social climber

san diego,ca

Nov 14, 2013 - 12:41pm PT

What does straightening your hair have to do with being whiter? Only White woman have straight hair? Maybe it has to do with looking professional, not white? Unless looking professional is only a "white" thing. Did they actually claim they believe she would look more white and that would be better for the firm? Or are you just assuming they believe straight hair makes you look "whiter" and therefore more professional? Sounds to me like they just have a dress/hair code?
Is she the only one they have targeted like this?

dirt claud

Social climber

san diego,ca

Nov 14, 2013 - 01:24pm PT

So they did not actually say "You will look more white"? Or you would have gone down there and kicked some ass, right?

I feel there is a possibility this had nothing to do with race and perhaps someone or some people there know from experience that the more professional you look the better chances you have of getting hired. I can see a white girl with the same frizzy hairdo being told the same thing. Don't get me wrong, I mean no disrespect, I like that look, and I'm sure many places would be fine with it, but perhaps it does not look great to others, perhaps it's personal opinion, sounds like they advised her, not told her she had to change it. You think they are just uptight about looking professional. Why would they even consider hiring her out if they are racist? If you/she feels this is racism then keep the hair and fight back.
I see racism in the world, but I try not to pin every issue going on to racism. Many people have "prejudices" and "stereotypes" that are mistaken and we learn through interaction/education when we are wrong. These words do not even exist anymore, they have all fallen under the umbrella of "racism"

Maybe you don't look at it this way Burchey, but your comment about black people not speaking a certain way is wrong. I mean seriously, how are "black" people supposed to talk. If you say "buddy" then you must not be black. No wonder people like Allen West get called "Orios" They are too "white", they are not supposed to talk like that huhh?

dirtbag

climber

Nov 14, 2013 - 01:36pm PT

150 year later, here we are, still arguing with dumbasses about that stupid confederidiot flag. At best, the people displaying and defending it are ignorant pukes. At worst, they are ignorant, racist, hateful neoconfederate pukes. Either way, they're pukes.

They certainly aren't worth defending.

dirt claud

Social climber

san diego,ca

Nov 14, 2013 - 02:00pm PT

Yes, I got the fact that you did not think he was for real, that was pretty obvious. Your suspicions were obviously raised even more when he did not talk like he was "supposed" to. I don't have Hispanic, Black, Asian, etc... friends that ream "whitey" for how they supposedly talk. Perhaps my friends are not "real enough". I get it though. It's not a differing opinion I have. It's that I can't think on the same level. Perhaps I will get there some day.
If you weren't being serious with that comment, well,sorry I'm blowing it out of proportion. It's a little hard to tell with the ways things have been going on this thread what people mean and don't mean.

mouse from merced

Trad climber

The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.

Nov 14, 2013 - 03:13pm PT

The FACT remains they did what they did and their descendants are proud and better-spoken than lots here.

It sickens me to think a man deserves to be sent to the ER or worse for flying the stupid symbol.

Would it be more acceptable to disinter their ancestors' remains and display THEM?

Get it right, azzhats: They are showing respect for their own heroes.

If you can't see that and keep arguing for your "side" you show extreme lack of confidence.

Have a little respect for yourselves and put this one to rest.

RIP the Donefedreacy.

And nobody's gonna benefit by having their ass kicked for being racist.

Fuscshikt, already!

survival

Big Wall climber

Terrapin Station

Nov 14, 2013 - 04:01pm PT

So, did anybody get their ass kicked yet?

Nohea

Trad climber

Living Outside the Statist Quo

Nov 14, 2013 - 04:49pm PT

Sad thread really, but a great example of rational ignorance as the so called facts vary from revision or subjectivity having been passed down through the years and yet many here believe they know the confederate flag is based on racism or representative of racism.

The book is in the public domain, I read it this past weekend and I did not find a single mention of that flag in the entire book, yet, the images from a movie set off such angry words. Images not present in the book.

Edit: so I don't bump this thread...

The images from the movie that set off angry words were the use of human beings like cattle

Then why is the title of this thread not "next person i see using human beings like cattle = free trip to hospital?

Then OP continues with an example of rational ignorance.

okie

Trad climber

Nov 14, 2013 - 05:03pm PT

Let's keep an open mind about slavery...

survival

Big Wall climber

Terrapin Station

Nov 14, 2013 - 05:07pm PT

Just to keep a little mud in the water.....

Norton

Social climber

the Wastelands

Nov 14, 2013 - 05:09pm PT

The Swastika wasn't always viewed as a Nazi thing either if I'm not mistaken...

But what comes to YOUR mind when you see it now???...

most rational people would see the Swastika as a symbol of Hitler's Germany
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from wiki:

The symbol has a long history in Europe reaching back to antiquity. In modern times, following a brief surge of popularity as a good luck symbol in Western culture, a swastika was adopted as a symbol of the Nazi Party of Germany in 1920, who used the swastika as a symbol of the Aryan race.

so, there probably really are a handful of people who tattoo one on their forehead or proudly make a Swastika flag and put it in their yard, all the while claiming that is is
a symbol of "good luck"

just exactly like a handful of people on this thread insist that the Confederate flag is merely a symbol of southern "culture and pride", instead of what the vast majority think otherwise

Cragar

Trad climber

MSLA - MT

Nov 14, 2013 - 05:20pm PT

Funny thread. It could have meaning and good discussion but it is the internets after all. There are a few historical tidbits here and there I have learned, thanks.

Something that throws me off a fair bit is the use of redneck. Where I am from originally, redneck means somebody that works outside and is maybe a little closer to the land and are goo.d folk. I think what people here mean is hick. I am originally from Bakersfield and now live in W-MT and have to correct my ignorant friends when they are feeling their oats and being judgmental about someone. Half the time I hear people referring to others as rednecks and whatnot, what they do not realize how much they are the similar to those they despise. By similar, I mean projection.

Anyway, have at it and keep on with those insults.

survival

Big Wall climber

Terrapin Station

Nov 14, 2013 - 05:38pm PT

I'm missing your point survival...

The point is that there is tons of racism that's hidden and not flown like a flag. There are lots of flags, that don't necessarily mean much at all, except to certain people.

The point is, why would someone go to the trouble to make a Gay Nazi flag?
Because they only like white aryan ass?

Why are a bunch of American Marines hanging out behind an SS flag>

I'm more interested in the questions than the obvious stereotypical answers.

Whose battle flag is that?

What does this mean?

And WTF??

Don't hate the hate for the sake of hating hate so we can stamp out hate.

Cragar

Trad climber

MSLA - MT

Nov 14, 2013 - 05:41pm PT

Locker, I understand that but...

It still means the same to me and my folks! Redneck is what you are mostly regardless of choice, hick is how you want or were taught to think.

The judgement that comes with it is somewhat bothersome to me. When I hear it, I figure it is an ignorant person showing some insecurity in some way whilst attempting mount a horse. Where is humility and understanding? <<--I think getting more of that into our American diet will aid in solving issues or at least make it easier for our way of thinking to catch up with technology, but then again a lot of technology today can numb a person while feeding there ego with supersized fast food.