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c wilmot
climber
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Sep 24, 2015 - 05:12pm PT
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vegetarianism is a luxury of agricultural society's
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Studly
Trad climber
WA
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Sep 24, 2015 - 05:43pm PT
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Actually the opposite is true Wilmot.
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Sep 24, 2015 - 05:58pm PT
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Uh,
Pre-agricultural civilizations?
they are called
Hunter, gatherer,
societies for a reason.
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MikeMc
Social climber
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Sep 27, 2015 - 01:15pm PT
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Do you guys all buy your soapboxes at the same place? Like the big and tall soap box store?
I'm stuck here with this little ol' high horse.
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MikeL
Social climber
Seattle, WA
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Sep 27, 2015 - 06:05pm PT
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That's an ugly picture, Karen.
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Sep 28, 2015 - 09:16am PT
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vegetarianism is a luxury of agricultural society's
Actually the opposite is true
I don't get it?
not(vegetarianism is a luxury of agricultural society's) ?
what are the other luxuries of agricultural society's ?
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Brandon-
climber
The Granite State.
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Sep 28, 2015 - 09:19am PT
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Truly, production of animal protein is harmful to the environment, but there's a bigger question that people don't like to think about.
Are we better than other mammals simply because we build sh#t and do stuff other mammals don't?
You guys focusing on policy might want to take a step back and see the bigger picture. We ate animal protein way back because that worked. In modern times, we are able to sustain ourselves in a healthy manner without slaughtering mammals, so why do we keep doing so?
The answer is twofold. One, we just keep doing what we are used to despite not needing to. Basically, we like the texture of animal flesh. That can change if we want it to. Two, the systemic nature of mass animal protein production is so ingrained in our society that we don't question it.
Pigs are smarter than dogs, and we don't eat dogs. We love some animals, and are just fine with inhumane treatment of others to be slaughtered.
So, here's my point in a nutshell; if you love animals, don't eat them. You can be equally healthy without flesh. And, if you love the environment and continue to eat animal protein, most notably cow, you are a hypocrite. Your continued consumption of cow is absolutely terrible for the environment.
Put down your knives and think for a while about what you're doing. We can be the dominant species without murdering the lesser species simply for the texture of their flesh.
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c wilmot
climber
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Sep 28, 2015 - 09:36am PT
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what are the other luxuries of agricultural society's ?
A division of labor.
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c wilmot
climber
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Sep 28, 2015 - 09:56am PT
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most all synthetic material is made out of oil. The oil industry kills a TON of animals. Unless you climb with a hemp rope being vegan is in name only
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Well said, Brandon
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Nice pitch for mammals but what about other animals. The oceans are being depleted of fish. What about the lowly chicken.....talk about a short, unnatural life.
Other animals besides mammals show high intelligence. Ravens are way smarter than dogs and they don't bark, growl, bite or sh#t where you're bound to put your foot.
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Degaine
climber
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Jeleazarian wrote:
Degaine, your words prove my contention.
John
Jeleazarian wrote:
I stand corrected. To me, the comment demonstrated a viewpoint that allocating goods via the market was bad because the consumers were too stupid to know what they were getting, in contrast to the knowledgeable elite, who would like to return to pre-industrial-revolution economics, where one's all-knowing liege allocated everything for the greater good.
John
First, John, thanks for taking the time to respond. Honestly. While you and I rarely agree or view major issues in the same manner, I appreciate that you acknowledge my posts and take the time to reply. If you can believe it, work and life got in the way of me being able to post on Supertopo. I know, a cardinal sin, right?
Second, and to somewhat address your post, I find it fascinating that you and I speak the same language, have read the same books (e.g., Adam Smith's Wealth of Nation), and yet interpret the words on the page in a completely different manner.
Third, I think that a market economy is great. I fail to read where I wrote otherwise. However, regulations and government oversight are important for both safety and from preventing a monopoly/oligopoly. At this point in time, the meat industry (poultry, pigs, beef) is an oligopoly, pure and simple. The "real Americans" that charlatans like Mrs. Palin like to talk about no longer actually exist in the heartland with regard to raising animals that we eat for meat. As I previously wrote, somewhere between 95-99% of the meat Americans eat comes from factory farms, produced by a very small handful of companies (Purdue, Tyson, etc).
Adam Smith would not condone the oligopoly that is the US meat industry.
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Degaine
climber
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TGT wrote:
Uh,
Pre-agricultural civilizations?
they are called
Hunter, gatherer,
societies for a reason.
There's a huge difference between the persistence hunting carried out by early homosapiens living in small groups on the African savanna and the industrialized slaughter (and mistreatment) of billions of animals so that we can eat cheap meat.
It's not the consumption of meat per se, but how we current go about obtaining said meat.
Add to that the fact that in the US 40-50% of the food produced (meat and plants) is thrown away, and the entire situation becomes one costly, repulsive mess.
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skcreidc
Social climber
SD, CA
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Meet Clarence, named because she was the oddball of the flock. Once the absolute bottom of the pecking order, she is now approaching 6 years old and still produces eggs for us; somewhere between 2 to 4 a week if she is not molting.
She's always been just to skinny to eat, and now she is named so I think we are stuck with her. Although bacon wraping her could help.....Naaaaaaa, not going to do that unless she doesn't like being a moma next year when we get some more chicks.
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