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BrentA
Gym climber
Roca Rojo
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Oct 19, 2013 - 03:42pm PT
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A strong message for all humans.
Leave no trace.
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i'm gumby dammit
Sport climber
da ow
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Oct 19, 2013 - 03:43pm PT
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I just can't figure out how the tree could be in the way of a picture there.
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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
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Oct 19, 2013 - 04:15pm PT
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It hurts to look at that stump.
Sure, in the scheme of things there are a lot more f*#ked up stuff happening. All the more reasons each person has to take control in their own (shared) space and do the right thing.
I know how you feel Iron Eyes Cody
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nah000
climber
canuckistan
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Oct 19, 2013 - 04:25pm PT
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an explanation for the two different stumps?
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tr4
climber
Tuolumne Meadows, Ca
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Oct 19, 2013 - 04:33pm PT
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two trees were cut looks like
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i'm gumby dammit
Sport climber
da ow
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Oct 19, 2013 - 05:00pm PT
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cropped from the original for better detail
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j-tree
Big Wall climber
Classroom to crag to summer camp
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Oct 19, 2013 - 05:08pm PT
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Wow. Two trees. Wow.
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HighTraverse
Trad climber
Bay Area
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Oct 19, 2013 - 06:36pm PT
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^^^^^^
Ron waxes poetic
seriously
2 trees? abominable.
I too think the trees enhanced the photo ops. But that is completely beside the point.
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Deekaid
climber
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Oct 19, 2013 - 06:43pm PT
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it is almost hard to believe... they thought no one would notice?
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HighTraverse
Trad climber
Bay Area
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Oct 19, 2013 - 06:44pm PT
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Obviously not the brightest bulbs in the firmament.
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klinefelter
Boulder climber
Bishop, CA
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Oct 19, 2013 - 06:58pm PT
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I have a feeling those two rockstars never hang out at a given area more than a few days, then it's on to the next hot new crag to leave their mark. Incidents like these are sad, but certainly not surprising given the degree of narcissism and entitlement in the upper echelon of the sport these days. The wilderness ethic seems to have slowly evaporated, and lines of distinction from gym to outdoors blurred.
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goatboy smellz
climber
Nederland-GulfBreeze
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Oct 19, 2013 - 07:10pm PT
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well, it's only a tree, it will grow back.
It's not like they defaced some rock by drilling holes on public land and leaving shiny objects that will last for decades then smearing it with some magnesium carbonate that can be seen by everyone.
Misplaced outrage is so hot right now.
If someone cut a trail for mountain bikes or a ski trail, there would be hell to pay from the overlords. We are lucky the FS and NP put up with the chit we pull on public lands.
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HighTraverse
Trad climber
Bay Area
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Oct 19, 2013 - 07:13pm PT
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well, it's only a tree, it will grow back. Not even in your great grandchildren's lifetime will it be more than a shrub.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Oct 19, 2013 - 07:15pm PT
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If a person wants to cut down a tree on their own land, they MAY be able to do that, it depends.
But if it is on public land, it did not belong to that person, it belonged to a lot of people, and none of them consented to this.
Think of it as someone deciding they think the tires on your car would look better in the dumpster, and relieved you of them. That's theft.
Some have talked about impact of cutting other trees down. all the other examples have been of trees that required evaluations, and permits, to be taken down.
I speak with some experience, as an instructor for the USFS in cutting trees.
Any decision in cutting a live tree is a big damn deal, and is only undertaken with a lot of thought.
This kind of vandalism on public lands, by a public figure, is odious.
When so many climbers have done so much to build trust and obtain access, it just makes you cry to see something like this violation of trust.
When climbers whine about restricted access to places, and why land managers won't "just trust" us to protect the resources, falcons, frogs, whatever.....this sets us back 100 years.
The loggers were better....at least they used what they killed.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Oct 19, 2013 - 07:17pm PT
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Oh, and when the climbing community is not simply unanimously condemning this, the land managers see us for what we are.....saying what we think needs to be said to get what we want, but when we get out there, doing whatever.
It breaks your heart.
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clinker
Trad climber
California
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Oct 19, 2013 - 07:48pm PT
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Goatboy has an important perspective, but one the climbing community is happily blind to. Where I climb it is easy to make bolts disappear with a little artistic painting. You can hardly find one right in front of your face if its been "camoed". Made a trip few years ago to Red Rocks NV and saw the obvious WTF ,ugly decimation of the wilderness by us climbers putting up our routes everywhere. Is there anything we can do about the visual impact of bolted routes as a responsible community? Before we get thrown out for good.
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Oct 19, 2013 - 07:59pm PT
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Is there anything we can do about the visual impact of bolted routes as a responsible community? Before we get thrown out for good.
In Red Rocks? Less than 5 miles from the nearest Starbucks? Where you can see the light of the Luxor from damn near any crag? Where development right up to the boundary is a real threat nearly every year? Where "Conservation" apparently means "make everyone drive the entire loop, even though the vast majority of people don't get out of their cars anywhere past Sandstone Quarry"? Where everyone and their dog wanders aimlessly through the fragile desert soils and vegetation and shits behind every bush? Where burrows are allowed to completely fuk sensitive desert riparian areas because some Spaniards left them behind hundreds of years ago?
That Red Rocks?
Yeah, the visual impacts of bolts and chalk are a huge issue.
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clinker
Trad climber
California
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Oct 19, 2013 - 08:13pm PT
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So right, I will now return my focus to the juniper tree stump.
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Oct 19, 2013 - 08:15pm PT
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Just giving you sh#t... I don't like the looks of chalk on the bright red sandstone either. Unfortunately I haven't seen a good alternative. Dyed chalk is far, far worse.
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Deekaid
climber
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Oct 19, 2013 - 08:51pm PT
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I did not make a statement Jim Brennan I asked a question albeit a hypothetical one
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