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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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Aug 25, 2013 - 03:34pm PT
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hey there say, khanom...
oh my, as to this, yeah, you don't really realize in these terms:
Everyone in Greeley we've talked to is super paranoid about the southern expansion down Pilot Ridge. Many were here in 1987 and know to remain on alert. Things can change very rapidly... and you know, I didn't put this together until just now -- at it's peak the fire was moving 3 miles an hour.
In that worst-case scenario we'd have like 2-3 hours
and even then, it could start a 'race' and kick it up a bit :O
wish it desired overnight parking, as its 'engine dies', and folks
can enjoy a huge victory for all these dangerous, loyal work and faithfully had gut-wrenching perseverance...
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Jelf
climber
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Aug 25, 2013 - 04:02pm PT
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Rim fire - Online map showing most recent perimeter and wind data
The following link will always display the most perimeter of the Rim Fire straight from the GeoMAC server. This is the same server that also provides data to the crews on the fire line. Sometimes the data on the InciWeb site is not as current as the data that comes from the GeoMAC server. (The InciWeb site gets its data from GeoMAC.)
The map also shows wind speed and direction. Note that the wind data is always 3 hours old.
For more information regarding this map, you can follow the “About” link in the upper left corner of the map.
http://www.mappingsupport.com/p/fires/2013_rim_fire_map.html
Joseph Elfelt, the Gmap4 guy
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HighTraverse
Trad climber
Bay Area
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Aug 25, 2013 - 04:09pm PT
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5:45 PM yesterday (top image) compared to 12:45 PM today
Yellow hasn't burned in more than 24 hours.
A lot less burning on the NW towards 108, A big move east past Mather Camp into Yosemite and a small move SE towards the Big Oak Flat park entrance,
Generally holding to the West, North, South and NE.
Not much movement along Pilot Ridge.
Lack of roads in the Yosemite area will greatly reduce crew access. But then there are few (no) structures to protect.
They spent all yesterday doing fire lines and back burns between the fire and Tuolumne City. That, and the wind direction seem to have made a big difference. To the NE, there is much less fuel load where the land rises to the granite domes.
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Darwin
Trad climber
Seattle, WA
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Aug 25, 2013 - 04:55pm PT
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This is well away from Chapman's, right?
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chappy
Social climber
ventura
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Aug 25, 2013 - 05:21pm PT
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Darwin,
What I have heard about my brother Matt's place on Sawmill Mnt Rd is that the fire burned through there but they saved the structures.
Chappy
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zBrown
Ice climber
Brujo de La Playa
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Aug 25, 2013 - 05:22pm PT
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uh huh, uh huh - I like it. That's the way.
Run and get a bucket get the baby some water.
Apparently they finally found a good use for that plane they pulled out of Lower Merced Pass Lake. Glad to see that all that failed drug dealing has benefitted the real world.
[Click to View YouTube Video]
Kidding aside, this is some serious sheeit. Wish I could help someway.
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dave729
Trad climber
Western America
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Aug 25, 2013 - 05:36pm PT
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Anyone know what the real formula for that red fire retardant dust is?
Google says its ammonium phosphate which is what? An explosive? No.
Says fertilizer. Not flammable but irritating to people exposed.
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snowhazed
Trad climber
Oaksterdam, CA
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Aug 25, 2013 - 05:53pm PT
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This is around 8 PM on 8/24 flying home to SF. I had been off the grid and hadn't heard a thing. Quite an intro
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Aug 25, 2013 - 06:02pm PT
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Ron, you ever been creamed by retardant?
That shyt is death on paint, apparently.
We got plastered once on the Chowchilla River in '66 and the driver had me man the hose to clean it RIGHT NOW before it dried.
We also hit the District Ranger's green unit.
Pumper's the best gig going on a line, in my aged opinion.
I hated crawling through manzanita and PO in the dark because you had a lamp, but you couldn't avoid being poisoned. Not to mention sharp, pointy dead branches.
Thank Jesus for hard hats, too.
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HighTraverse
Trad climber
Bay Area
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Aug 25, 2013 - 06:18pm PT
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That NASTY old Borate stuff is no longer used
Borate salts used in the past to fight wildfires have been found to sterilize the soil and be toxic to animals so are now prohibited.[18] Newer retardants use ammonium sulfate or ammonium polyphosphate with attapulgite clay thickener or diammonium phosphate with a guar gum derivative thickener. These are not only less toxic but act as fertilizers to help the regrowth of plants after the fire. Fire retardants often contain wetting agents, preservatives and rust inhibitors and are colored red with ferric oxide or fugitive color to mark where they have been dropped. Brand names of fire retardants for aerial application include Fire-Trol and Phos-Chek. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aerial_firefighting
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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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Aug 25, 2013 - 07:28pm PT
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hey there say, khanom.... oh, so good to hear this! say, perhaps keep a few things, though, ready... just in case...
wow, mark, i was so happy when dad called and let me know that, ...
was relieved through matt's adventure coming safely to somewhere,and the cabin being well, tops it off...
praying and hoping for many others now, too...
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Ward Trotter
Trad climber
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Aug 25, 2013 - 07:44pm PT
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Some of these crews have gone way past recommended times on the line, but in dire circumstances, they will drop the safety requirements back some to accommodate needs. So if you see some fireman that seem to be draggin azz, its because they truly are beat. You get to a point where you just act on auto pilot. May the FORCE be with them...
K,, not to be a pain,, but that ISNT the worst case scenario by a long shot. This is still a big and very capable beast. If it gets wind driven you may not have an hour. Stay on yur toes..
Two great points Ron.
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klk
Trad climber
cali
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Aug 25, 2013 - 08:09pm PT
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khanom, yr source wasn't far offbase: dogville getting ev'd.
A Mandatory Evacuation has been issued for residences north of Old Yosemite Road (Forest Road 2S01).
An Evacuation Warning has been issued for all residences north of Bull Creek Road (Forest Road 2S02), Bondurant Mine Road, Texas Hill Road, and Wampum Hill. The Mandatory Evacuation and Evacuation Warning has been issued by the Mariposa County Sheriff’s Office. For more information please contact the Mariposa County Sheriff’s Office at: 209-966-5325.
as per inciweb
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the albatross
Gym climber
Flagstaff
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Aug 25, 2013 - 08:54pm PT
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This is one of the tools that firefighters use on wildland fire. If there is a water source nearby these beasts are very handy, particularly for structure protection. They deliver up to 1200 gallons or more per drop.
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lostinshanghai
Social climber
someplace
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Aug 25, 2013 - 09:33pm PT
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Go to Rim Fire last update from command central shows maps as of 09 00 am Aug 25
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JOEY.F
Gym climber
It's not rocket surgery
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Aug 25, 2013 - 10:08pm PT
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Following along and wishing the best to Erik and the rest of the people in the area. I wonder how the non humans are doing.
Edit below,
Thanks SteveW
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Ward Trotter
Trad climber
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Aug 25, 2013 - 10:27pm PT
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The recent winds out of the north has gotten the SE cooking. The winds have shifted back to the SW, which is probably somewhat good news, in the overall scheme of things-- it will have the effect of pushing the fire in a direction , NE, where the fuel profile is scarcer. But it will also inflame the due north areas , which will be a replay of a few days ago. At least now firefighters and residents have had time to regroup there.
Terrible thing about the SE flank is the abundance of primo fuel.
Be a shame if more sequoias get nailed.
Hope the wind doesn't shift to the north anytime soon
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SteveW
Trad climber
The state of confusion
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Aug 25, 2013 - 10:39pm PT
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Joey
Usually the animals just move out of the fire's way.
In some cases they'll get caught just like the Arizona hotshots
did, but research from the Yellowstone fires of 1988 showed
most animals survived without any issues.
Hoping that they get this thing under control (or rain or snow
falls soon)!
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