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peladob
Mountain climber
Mason City, Iowa
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Feb 25, 2015 - 04:38pm PT
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If you guys think that its a commie thing to have a single payer system, conisder that we pay more in the USA per capita than ANY other country for healthcare, yet we have no GOV-sponsored healthcare.
glad we are so proud to pay way more, and get exactly nothing for it compared to other developed nations like Canadia where my buddy's wife just had a complicated c-section delivery emergently, and by my doc brain they did an excellent job taking care of her start to finish.
we are the chumps.
I'd take less of a paycheck as a doc to get people cared for and not see that "OH SH#T we cannot pay your bill" look on peoples' faces.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Feb 25, 2015 - 06:59pm PT
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And furthermore....
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rbord
Boulder climber
atlanta
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Feb 25, 2015 - 07:22pm PT
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Just tuned into this thread - oh my!
Dave Kos, I hope that you've learned that word is offensive, and you can never use it, however much you question someone's racial perspective. I'm sure that Cragman has no conscious racism, despite what may be your concerns about the right's unconscious racism.
That you use that word is purely offensive to me. I am the father of a beautiful African-American who has more integrity in her 9 year-old frame than you will ever have.
Sure, maybe (like me) Cragman's offense was driven by the fact that his daughter is black, rather than by the fact that our president is a black man. And maybe you could have better shown your respect for our first black president by saying, like our self-proclaimed "mountain of integrity" Cragman did
Obama is a little girl who soiled his panties.
Just don't say that about his daughter. Or mine.
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zBrown
Ice climber
Brujò de la Playa
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Feb 25, 2015 - 07:29pm PT
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Nintey percent of all medical issues are directly or indirectly related to lifestyle choices, not the healthcare system.
Rather bold statment to be making without any kind of support whatsoever.
here's another example of thorough research and insightful analysis:
10) Your annual breast exam is done at Hooters.
(9) Directions to your doctor's office include "Take a left when you enter the trailer park."
(8) The tongue depressors taste faintly of Fudgesicles.
(7) The only proctologist in the plan is "Gus" from Roto-Rooter.
(6) The only item listed under Preventative Care Coverage is "an apple a day."
(5) Your primary care physician is wearing the pants you gave to Goodwill last month.
(4) "The patient is responsible for 200% of out-of-network charges," is not a typographical error.
(3) The only expense covered 100% is "Embalming."
(2) Your Prozac comes in different colors with little M's on them.
AND THE NUMBER ONE SIGN YOU'VE JOINED OBAMA'S HEALTH CARE PLAN:
(1) You ask for Viagra, and they give you a Popsicle stick and Super Glue
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Feb 25, 2015 - 07:33pm PT
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Zbrown...you forgot # 11...Hitler started Obamacare...
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zBrown
Ice climber
Brujò de la Playa
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Feb 25, 2015 - 07:39pm PT
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Oh yeah - Join Anthem today. We'll work for ya.
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crankster
Trad climber
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Feb 25, 2015 - 08:42pm PT
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Rj, you just crack me up.
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two-shoes
Trad climber
Auberry, CA
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Feb 25, 2015 - 09:37pm PT
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Where are people learning that Hitler started health care? That's a lie!
Otto von Bismarck founded the first welfare state in Germany. He aligned himself for a period of time with liberals and created the Sickness Insurance Law of 1883.
You probably won't learn these facts on Fox News, or CNN, though. You'll probably have to look it up and read about it. Of course maybe you value opinions more than facts? That seems to be how they are now training the masses in the 21st century.
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Sierra Ledge Rat
Mountain climber
Old and Broken Down in Appalachia
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Feb 26, 2015 - 04:07am PT
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Nintey percent of all medical issues are directly or indirectly related to lifestyle choices, not the healthcare system. Rather bold statment to be making without any kind of support whatsoever. Sorry... My anecdotal observations after 20+ years on the front line of primary care.
1. Too much food consumption
2. Too much tobacco consumption
3. Too much alcohol consumption
4. Too much drug use
5. Not enough exercise
6. Poor food choices
In my world, about 90% of all of the problems that I treat have one or more of the above problems as the root cause. Usually #1, #2, #5 and #6.
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zBrown
Ice climber
Brujò de la Playa
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Feb 26, 2015 - 10:12am PT
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1. Too much food consumption
2. Too much tobacco consumption
3. Too much alcohol consumption
4. Too much drug use
5. Not enough exercise
6. Poor food choices
These are the ones that I would have come up with off the top of my head, but I have to idea about the stats.
Numbers 2 and 3 are not as clearly lifestyle choices as the others, considering the main forces driving them have been priviate "industry" and benign? neglect by the government.
How do you get folks to make better choices? It beats me, if I knew I wouldn't be spending much time on the ST forum.
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dirt claud
Social climber
san diego,ca
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Feb 26, 2015 - 10:50am PT
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My girlfriend works as a an ultrasound tech for arteries and heart, she would agree with you Sierra. Many come in saying that can't lose weight or do this or do that due to medical reasons and as soon as they are forced to take care of themselves right or die, suddenly they can do it. Unfortunately when they leave many go back to the old way, who is to blame for that but themselves?
"Numbers 2 and 3 are not as clearly lifestyle choices as the others, considering the main forces driving them have been priviate "industry" and benign? neglect by the government."
So once again even though we are smart human beings with this big brain we can't think for ourselves? We're so easily swayed? If you don't know smoking will kill you by now you are living in a frickin cave. Those companies suck for promoting it, but they promote it because they can, because people buy into it, that is the individuals fault. It;s up to us to have self control or perhaps it's better if the government dictates your self control?
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Tvash
climber
Seattle
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Feb 26, 2015 - 10:52am PT
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And not enough sex! (due to the previous problems just mentioned)
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dirtbag
climber
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Feb 26, 2015 - 10:54am PT
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How do you get folks to make better choices? It beats me, if I knew I wouldn't be spending much time on the ST forum.
Best insight ever!
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skcreidc
Social climber
SD, CA
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Feb 26, 2015 - 11:03am PT
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Zbrown. Recent thought on motivational psychology suggest that item 1 (and 6 because they are linked) are more like your 2 and 3. Eating behavior is somewhat out of the hands of smart people as processed foods are now designed to be addictive. And our digestive system is designed to tell us when we have had enough "natural food". Check out the Pleasure Trap written by Dr. Lisle
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Sierra Ledge Rat
Mountain climber
Old and Broken Down in Appalachia
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Feb 26, 2015 - 03:02pm PT
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How do you get folks to make better choices? Taxation is a proven method for reducing consumption of certain items, like cigarettes.
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skcreidc
Social climber
SD, CA
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Feb 26, 2015 - 03:45pm PT
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They have an alcohol tax too. I haven't really looked into it. I know there is a huge tax on cigs. I was wondering what the difference between the two is.
But you know tax is a four letter word to some. And the food industry would put up such a fuss, especially after helping put all those people in our government
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EdwardT
Trad climber
Retired
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Feb 26, 2015 - 05:36pm PT
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Taxation is a proven method for reducing consumption of certain items, like cigarettes.
Are you saying we should add taxes to food considered unhealthy?
IMO, a (unhealthy) food tax would be exceptionally difficult to get passed. A possible backdoor approach might be to have tax rebates for healthy individuals. Have baseline for cholesterol, body fat, blood pressure or whatever makes the most sense. Everyone who meets the standard gets a rebate.
Create incentives for healthy lifestyles, instead of penalties for unhealthy ones.
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two-shoes
Trad climber
Auberry, CA
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Feb 26, 2015 - 05:48pm PT
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Then, what about the fact that there are often no healthy, or reasonably prices food choices near the hoods, AKA ghettos. There may be only liquor or convenience stores available or close at hand, or for miles. Do they just automatically get spanked just because they are poor, and happen to be predominately people of color?
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peladob
Mountain climber
Mason City, Iowa
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Feb 26, 2015 - 06:56pm PT
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Food deserts exist.
But demand also does help dictate supply.
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