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Wade Icey

Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
May 14, 2013 - 12:46am PT
hey morans...pass is open
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
May 14, 2013 - 02:27am PT
I don't see why I shouldn't be allowed to take my child away from a medical professional who deems them in need of medical attention... especially if I completed high school and clearly know at least as much as they do about anything and everything. It's what the founding fathers would have wanted... personal volition over reason!

Do you think you should be able to disconnect a child from life support machines, to carry them to the acupuncturist of choice?

Do you think you should be able to remove your child in the middle of surgery, with their insides exposed, to carry them off to the Veterinarian of your choice?

I think you would advocate neither. I think if a parent took such an action, you would support calling the police to intervene.

So.....there are limits to a parents' choices. In the situation noted, the child was removed while a life-threatening situation was being evaluated.

In every hospital that I've ever been in, if a person wanted a transfer to another facility, it would be arranged! With all the records, and if necessary, in a mobile intensive care unit.
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
May 14, 2013 - 02:32am PT
Now, the family is probably under a gag order not to speak publicly about anything.

And maybe you are a cross-dressing pedophile. But neither of us have any evidence to speculate in that manner.
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
May 14, 2013 - 02:40am PT
So do any of you know if any CPS has ever been accountable for any action?

When was the last time a CPS employee was reprimanded for their actions?

You guys are OK with that, an organization with tremendous power and no accountability?

Here is LA, there has been repeated firing of the management of CPS the last couple of years.

And guess why???????

They didn't intervene ENOUGH.

Thursday, March 29 2012
California State Auditor's Report on Los Angeles County CPS Department Reveals Disturbing Findings Featured
SACRAMENTO- The California State Auditor's report on Los Angeles County’s efforts to prevent child abuse and neglect was released Thursday and showed a disturbing backlog of cases and a blatant disregard for California state law which requires criminal background checks when placing children in the homes of relatives.

Assemblymember Henry T. Perea (D-Fresno) requested the audit and is disappointed that the Department of Social Services (DSS) has failed to ensure current law is implemented and children are protected.

“Los Angeles County’s Child Protective Services Department has some deep seeded problems that are affecting the way they care for children,” Assemblymember Perea said. “It is upsetting to see that LA County, in the audit, was disingenuous about their interpretation of state laws and their own policies. Their system is flawed. It is DSS’s responsibility to implement state law. Our children deserve better.”

Assemblymember Perea will submit a letter to DSS requesting the following:

DSS Waiver Rescinded
LA County CPS has struggled to complete its investigations of referrals within the number of days specified by DSS. In August 2010, DSS granted this request, extending the department’s time frame for closing an investigation to 60 days. Assemblymember Perea will be request that DSS rescind the waiver effective June 30, 2012 and return to the standard of 30 days that all other counties attempt to follow.

Backlog of Uncompleted Investigations
LA County had a backlog of 3,200 uncompleted investigations as of January 2012. The letter will request DSS monitor the status of the backlog and work with LA County CPS to revise their own policies and performance measures to no longer define the backlog as investigations over 60 days old.

Required Assessments not Performed Consistently
The department did not consistently perform important assessments and background checks before placing children in homes, as required by state law. The State Auditor found that nearly 900 children lived in homes of relatives that—once assessed by the department—were determined to be unsafe or inappropriate. It typically took 43 days to either remove these children from the placements or reassess and approve the homes. The letter will urge DSS to perform the appropriate oversight so that children are placed only in safe homes.

Assemblymember Perea introduced AB 1697 to be used as the legislative vehicle to hold DSS accountable for making sure existing state law is implemented.

###


The problem is, no one knows what is going on until an evaluation happens.

If there is no major problem, and they act to protect the child......you end up with a living child.

If there IS a major problem, and they DONT act to protect the child.......you end up with a dead child.

I'm not sure why you guys are on the side of the dead child outcome.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
May 14, 2013 - 10:02am PT
You've just made the same argument that Fox News and company does when advocating torture, infinite detention, etc.

One could use your exact same words above to argue in favor of suspending all civil liberties in the "war on terror" or the "war on drugs" or other issues that potentially involve the safety of children.

Do YOU know what a strawman argument with a side of herring is??!?!!!!

it appears that you don't understand the basic concept of due process of law. That's all the more reason this situation is troubling.

Tell us about due process of law then. Who was deprived of life, liberty, or property by CPS?
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
May 14, 2013 - 10:17am PT
I've already proven that I am far smarter than any of us could ever imagine.



How did CPS violate the constitutional rights of the parents or break the law?
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
May 14, 2013 - 10:41am PT
Who is deprived of life, liberty, or property when their child is forcibly taken from them?

Trick question because NOBODY is deprived of life, liberty, or property when a child is taken into protective custody.


And what the fuk does water boarding have to do with the case in question. (Hint: absofukinglutely nothing)
John M

climber
May 14, 2013 - 12:10pm PT
Dave,

Ken answered these questions..

So do any of you know if any CPS has ever been accountable for any action?

When was the last time a CPS employee was reprimanded for their actions?

And he said yes they had been, and he gave an example.. So that isn't a strawman even though it didn't answer your earlier problem, which was.

My issue is with lack of due process and unchecked authority.

I do see your point. I don't know if anyone has been disciplined for being over zealous. That would be a hard line to draw as being under zealous leads to kids being left in abusive situations. I do believe that an effort was made to try give CPS some oversight, and that is when the oversight by a judge specializing in families and children's problems was added. But even that can be trouble because the judge can end up mostly just siding with CPS because he/she gets jaded about parents. So what kind of oversight are you talking about?
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
May 14, 2013 - 12:13pm PT
Where is Sacrameto?
Wade Icey

Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
May 14, 2013 - 12:23pm PT
Where is Sacrameto?


south of Mt Shata, north of Freno
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
May 14, 2013 - 12:47pm PT
south of Mt Shata, north of Freno



Gawdamn, that made me spit coffee out my nose!!!
Risk

Mountain climber
Olympia, WA
May 14, 2013 - 01:27pm PT
I don't know if anyone has been disciplined for being over zealous. That would be a hard line to draw as being under zealous leads to kids being left in abusive situations. I do believe that an effort was made to try give CPS some oversight, and that is when the oversight by a judge specializing in families and children's problems was added. But even that can be trouble because the judge can end up mostly just siding with CPS because he/she gets jaded about parents. So what kind of oversight are you talking about?

Oversight? I posted this upthread as example of what happens when the CPS-camel gets its nose under the tent:

1. CPS can come over and enter their home anytime without notice and perform an inspection. CPS may also contract these inspections to other providers who will come over and look around and ask questions ($80/hr).

2. All medical records must be furnished to CPS.

3. Both parents will attend a series of performance-based parenting classes and group sessions with other parents, most of which have their children in foster homes. These classes take 12 weeks to 18 months to complete.

4. If parents undergo any counseling, the records must be furnished to CPS.

5. Parents must agree to substance abuse screening. Regardless of outcome, no alcohol may be in the home.

6. Parents must undergo a psychological evaluation by CPS-controlled psychologists, and the records are property of CPS for their use.

7. No overnight travel is permitted without prior approval from CPS; if staying with friends, the hosts must undergo CPS background investigations beforehand.

8. Overnight guests or family must undergo CPS background investigations prior to staying overnight.

9. The parents agree to not discuss or disclose any matter regarding their case with anyone, including the media, without court approval.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
May 14, 2013 - 02:00pm PT
I posted this upthread as example of what happens when the CPS-camel gets its nose under the tent

Is that what IS happening, or what COULD happen? HUGE difference. I'm perfectly happy to have everything on that list apply to many of the cases CPS has to be involved with. I think those would be overkill in this case... and I seriously doubt those will be applied to this case. Just more bullshit from the paranoid.

Somebody who messes with families just because they can should go to jail.

Nobody messed with this family just because they could. You are delusional.
Risk

Mountain climber
Olympia, WA
May 14, 2013 - 03:07pm PT
Is that what IS happening, or what COULD happen? HUGE difference. I'm perfectly happy to have everything on that list apply to many of the cases CPS has to be involved with. I think those would be overkill in this case... and I seriously doubt those will be applied to this case. Just more bullshit from the paranoid.

Being paranoid does not equate to being wrong. That list of conditions is pretty benign compared to having the child removed from the home. You’re caving by admitting it would be overkill for this particular case. If CPS and the police stormed the home without a warrant, this case was labeled as an emergency under the 4th amendment; that’s pretty serious. Wasn’t that overkill, too?
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
May 14, 2013 - 04:10pm PT
Being paranoid does not equate to being wrong.

It doesn't equate to being right either. None of the paranoid bullshit spewed forth on the pages of this thread has anything to do with what happened in this particular case.

None of you have shown that any information was provided to CPS that would suggest the baby was safe. The baby was removed from the home to ensure its safety until the case was investigated. That is how CPS was designed. That is how CPS works. The rest is insane hyperbole.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
May 14, 2013 - 05:57pm PT
Kos... again... that has NOTHING to do with the case in question. Absolutely 100% nothing.

For starters, the parents who are filing the suit adopted the child AFTER the surgery was performed.

You make it sound like CPS takes babies away, swaps out their junk, and gives them back just for fun.

Keep up the great posts. Some of the dumbest, most irrelevant sh#t I've ever seen. But hey, at least blurring is impressed.
enjoimx

Trad climber
SLO
May 14, 2013 - 06:03pm PT
How do you guys have the time to be so intimately involved in these news cases that you claim to know who the right and wrong parties are, and then debate it endlessly online?
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
May 14, 2013 - 06:08pm PT
I spend most of my time pointing out how the unrelated bullshit spewed by the rightwing tea bagger fear machine has nothing to do with this case. The rest is pure speculation. As for time, it really doesn't take that much.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
May 14, 2013 - 06:53pm PT
I find the fact that government agencies are performing sex change operations on children to be a little odd, to say the least. Not exactly a medically necessary procedure.

I'm sure they did it for selfish reasons... because they can... because they have no accountability.

Everyone knows a child with "ambiguous genitalia" is just as likely to be adopted as one with "normal genitalia." Derrr!

"Hi, we'd like to adopt!"

"Great. Male, Female, or No Preference?"

"We were thinking more along the lines of ambiguous."
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Topic Author's Reply - May 17, 2013 - 07:36pm PT
http://patdollard.com/2013/05/video-how-our-constitutional-rights-are-being-violated/

The video I taped with Jeff in front of Sacramento City Hall.
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