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krahmes
Social climber
Stumptown
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I actually feel bad for the villagers having to deal with these idiots - you can bet it has been traumatic for them also. How so? Way laying and throwing rocks at people is how you deal with people you deem idiots? God help me you called me moron; I’m doomed.
But you are hating on people cause you can't afford a few bucks for a vacation?
You don’t know me dude. I was trying to hold a mirror up but it didn’t work. I got go.
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John M
climber
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There are a lot of idiots around the world Riley.. not just Americans. If you focus on the idiots, then you will drive yourself nuts. You are better then that.
I have had this funny feeling that the sister precipitated this event. The couple didn't have any problems in 9 months of travel and then the sister arrives and this happens. I wonder if the guy changed his behavior because of some old issue with the sis. Some sort of karma. Just my two cents based my own intuitive hit.
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John M
climber
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Everything you just posted is just opinion of people who weren't even there.
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John M
climber
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The amount of money raised kind of surprised me, but that is the power of the internet. There are a lot of good causes that don't get enough money. The world is a strange mixed up place.
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Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California now Ireland
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Sending money to these people seems a Laosy idea to me, at least until considerably more information is available.
Anders, even if they were attacked, unprovoked, they are still looking for money to continue their travels, instead of making a beeline to the States, as I understand it.
There are number of Supertopians, especially those with medical bills, that could use funds far more than these three people.
Jennie, I understand where you are coming from. And thanks for the best wishes for ‘my’ Jennie.
This money fiasco is pretty funny. It's a bunch of wealthy friends and family helping their own - and you get to watch.
JLP, so true.
Pat, I think you have nailed it. And condolences to you and Ross’s family and friends, sounds horrific.
zBrown, that’s a good perspective.
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Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California now Ireland
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I hope this is my last comment on this thread.
I do not know what really happened in Peru, but dang it, I sure would like another view besides that of the three travellers. I would like to hear the other side of the story, if there is one.
Regardless, I firmly believe, having been a student and practitioner of the media for over 40+ years, that these three will benefit in the long run (in addition to the donations they have received so far), in the form of books/TV/film.
Time will tell, but stories like theirs will always attract readers/viewers. And they will probably capitalize on that and enhance their bank accounts. Anybody want to take any bets on that?
Cheers, best wishes and safe climbing.
Patrick
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MisterE
Social climber
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Wow, Riley. I usually enjoy your banter, but you are taking this way too personally. Sorry, my friend - you are being a real jerk here.
I won't even bother with your copy-cat thread, apparently made as a FU to this thread.
Hope we can climb again soon - you should get out TODAY, and release some of your angst.
Erik
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rockermike
Trad climber
Berkeley
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where is Krakauer when you need him. This story just smells of a best seller. ha
by the way, I'm still neutral as to what went down, and who is at fault. Not enough info at this point. But I sure hope at least some of the funds go to building a medical clinic or something in a Peruvian Village.
A friend of mine did a "sponsor me by the mile" type bike ride from Canada to Guatemala, and raised something like $15,000, which she used to build a new school in an impoverished village. Construction is cheap down there.
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Chewybacca
Trad climber
Montana, Whitefish
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So they found a way to squeeze some pennies out of some gullible people. So what, nuthin new about that. Certainly not a big enough issue to get my panties in a bunch over.
If people want to complain about misspent money there are much bigger fish to fry than 3 tourists in South America.
I'm off to vacation in Northern Mali. Anybody want to contribute to my travel fund?
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WBraun
climber
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When I was in Amazon some azzholes raped women in one of the villages.
The villagers caught them tied them up and hung them upside down into the river and the piranha ate them alive.
When I was in Africa some azzholes did something in one of the villages and they got killed.
Don't fuk with people in the third world.
Bridwell told Schultz he wanted a skull from one of the burial sites in this village we were in Africa.
Schultz climbs up there and grabs a skull and yells to Bridwell "How about this one?".
The whole village started to get really agitated and we told Schultz to put that thing back and get fuk out of there.
We told those guys we're leaving because you're going get us all killed you stupid sh!t.
He put it back and we booked it outa there.
Fuking stupid ......
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couchmaster
climber
pdx
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Riley, you don't know what really happened. None of us do. For myself, I'd say I'm close to 99.7 percent certain these guys got attacked. .0001% sure (unsure) of the reason. I'm sure that there was a reason in there someplace, just that you and I, and everyone else for now, do not know what it was. It could be that providing the documents and explaining with a smile who they were might have avoided the misunderstanding that they encountered.
That they have collected $20,000 rubs the wrong way. Last time I got my ass whooped (by a large group of men), I went unconscious and when I finally came to, I had forgotten the English language, including my name and everything I was and thought that I knew....I found it quite interesting. No one gave me a nickel, and I eventually figured it out and learned language and how to speak again. Turned out I'd done some damage to them as well, and luckily avoided a long prison term by the hair of my chin.
Sh#t happens dude. It did here.
Riley W. said: "John - you know what it was at first?
The village wanting to kill them - children, woman?
I mean WTF - it's not the 16 century anymore.
Children and woman are not going to want to kill people for no reason - it's just ridiculous - of course if a person has never been in many of these villages they are going to believe anything - "Dragons be there"
The entire story played on fear and xenophobia and ignorance of the unknown. Best of all - it was written from the perspective of an ignorant, selfish bitch, who had been in the country for a few days, and was to stupid to know that what she was writing in her biased tale told us that she had not clue - drinking beers, not showing ID?
These are human beings who live in a community!!You are in their community! You need to understand the local customs, local law enforcement - not start running people down.
How ignorant do you think these villagers are? lol
They have no right to control traffic through their town and ask questions?
What do you think? It's a lawless land of ignorant savages?
They had absolutely no clue and they should consider themselves very very lucky they are not dead. If it would have been even close to an evil village they would be dead - they are incredibly lucky.
What is a believable story? that they were stopped by a group of men, bandits, thieves, and robbed and raped, etc
This happens just south of the border here all the time - everyday - a few months ago they stopped a bus headed to Veracruz and shot a handicapped girl and her family becuase she was not answering questions properly.
We don't go to Mexico anymore - but if you do you have to have your wits about you - have a few separate dollars on the side to pay people off - it's part of the culture.
I would be surprised if these people are not still involved in some kind of problems with the law - they signed a piece of paper with the local government that stated they were drinking and driving and crashed their car - that is exactly what they were doing - look at it from your perspective - what would have occurred in the exact same situation in Yosemite or a little town in Mississippi or the corner of a street in New York, City.
What allowed you to see it differently is your disrespect and lack of knowledge of these peoples laws, customs and ability to Police their own town!!
That is why this thread is so interesting - it does not expose the ignorance of Natives of Peru it exposes the ignorance of the natives of America."
There was a reason. We don't know what it was. I don't see them as being disrespectful either....there was clearly a miscommunication though.
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zBrown
Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
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news of Peru redux
Joran van der Sloot sentenced to 28 years for murder of Peruvian woman
The victim's father, Ricardo Flores, complained after the verdict that Van der Sloot was enjoying favorable conditions in a Lima prison, where he has been living apart from the general population and foreigners with money can buy superior treatment.
"A jail isn't a 5-star hotel," Ricardo Flores told reporters. "Let's hope the authorities take that into account and not just in our case."
"Since the first day we've been complaining about the excessive privileges" that Van der Sloot allegedly enjoyed in jail, he said.
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Kalimon
Trad climber
Ridgway, CO
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Photos would go a long way to generating some bonafide sympathy.
No doubt!
You would think that they would be sharing photos to elicit sympathy.
Let us see the broken teeth and the truth.
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Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California now Ireland
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Thanks BigMike, but we will get by, hopefully. As I have written before, there are other Supertopians in far more need than Jennie and I.
Slayton, I believe somebody already posted that and my (cynical?) reply was that it wouldn’t take much for one of the travelers to ask a friend/family to set up those accounts, sort of in a surrogate way.
Bhilden and Jim Brennan, I agree.
Who of those commenting were there?
Todd, that is a good point. However, these people are asking for money from the public, so questions of the bona fides need to be asked.
And Todd, I wasn’t there for Pearl Harbor or the Holocaust, but that does not mean I cannot comment on such events. I just think something smells fishy with the incident. And of course, I could be wrong. But apparently, I am not alone in thinking this, not only on this forum but several other forums and news articles.
John M, that just may be.
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this just in
climber
north fork
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You can all apologize to me now for attacking me - My judgement was dead on as usual.. You are your biggest fan.
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pat
Trad climber
estes park
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Here is an account in a Peruvian newspaper of the incident,
http://elcomercio.pe/actualidad/1518317/noticia-cusco-turistas-estadounidenses-fueron-agredidos-campesinos-ocongate
"Al parecer, los turistas ingresaron a la comunidad, no se identificaron y hubo problemas con el idioma. Los campesinos los habrían confundido con abigeos."
It appears the tourists entered the community, didn't identify themselves and there were problems with the language. The villagers had confused them with abiegos.
Does anyone know what abiegos means? I think it is a slang term specific to Peru denoting a group of people? I have never been to Peru.
Many of the comments below the article reflect what has been said here, some are surprised, some think the story is unbelievable, and some say this region is known for violence.
Looking for more articles...
-Patrick
abiegos are possibly tourists from Spain? Bizzare.
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pat
Trad climber
estes park
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One interesting comment by a Peruvian:
"Yo y mis amistades, turistas de Estados Unidos, fuimos agredidos cuando tomamos un bus de Cusco a Puno. Habia una huelga de campesinos los que tiraron rocas al bus donde ibamos e incendiaron el puente por donde debiamos cruzar. En el bus yo era el unico Peruano. Que pena que esto no se sancione."
My friends and I, tourists from the US, were assaulted when we took a bus from Cusco (sameish region?) to Puno. There was a group of villagers who threw rocks at the bus we were in and burned the bridge we were going to cross. I was the only Peruvian on the bus. What a shame this hasn't been dealt with.
Sounds eerily similar.
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