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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
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May 22, 2012 - 12:49pm PT
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Do they jug up the Hillary step? That must be a cluster f*%k!
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Mark Hudon
Trad climber
Hood River, OR
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May 22, 2012 - 12:54pm PT
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Have you seen that vid where Hillary's son is rapping the Step and someone below clamps his jugs onto a rope and starts up, pinning the son to the wall? Hillary starts yelling at the guy but the guy doesn't speak english! The vid shows a long line of people waiting to go up and a long line waiting to go down.
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jstan
climber
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May 22, 2012 - 12:55pm PT
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"Well you have to know these things, if you are a King."
My favourite color is
yellow.
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brotherbbock
Trad climber
Alta Loma, CA
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May 22, 2012 - 01:33pm PT
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probably the highest number of affluent people waiting in line since the boarding of the lifeboats on the Titanic...
Spot on.
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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May 22, 2012 - 02:33pm PT
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prospectors on Chilkoot Trail during Alaska Gold Rush
A somewhat apt comparison, although the prospectors could at least say they were hoping for material gain. Also, the gold rush was in Klondike, near Dawson in the Yukon - not Alaska. That was later. The 1898 prospectors briefly passed through Alaska, from Skagway to White Pass, but that was all.
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ontheedgeandscaredtodeath
Trad climber
San Francisco, Ca
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May 22, 2012 - 03:01pm PT
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Please just shoot me if I ever complain about a pretty woman posing in revealing clothing in a climbing setting.
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
merced, california
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May 22, 2012 - 03:01pm PT
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It is a truly good time to be on the planet.
Here are TC and AH in YV doing their thing on their own and blowing all our minds. Hardly any media involvement (we are the media, right here, in this case), too.
On the other side of the globe is the biggest clusterf*#k I have ever heard of in mountaineering. And the whole world knows through countless sources of information.
God has Her fun.
Thanks for the theater, Old Gal.
I just want to toss this in, from an article online--
((AP) Well-known exp. organizer Brice cited the mtn's "precarious condition" in his decision in early May to cancel this year's climb for more than 60 clients.
What was he thinking?--Dr. Phil and myself
I'm impressed he is so concerned over the "condition" of Miss Chomo.
Edge, chicks ain't worth it. Ask anyone who knew Baldwin.
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zBrown
Ice climber
Chula Vista, CA
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May 22, 2012 - 03:14pm PT
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^^Amen bro! Just Like a Prayer, I'll take you there.
Nuff to put Mr. Honnold back in the closet.
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Marlow
Sport climber
OSLO
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May 22, 2012 - 03:15pm PT
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In a world where we have got "Heart attack restaurant" - Should "Die on Everest expedition" be allowed? I think not. From the mountain's perspective what's happening must either be irrelevant or tragic, from a human perspective either tragic or tragicomic. And I think the gods, if there are any, must be laughing at the whole spectacle.
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Jan
Mountain climber
Okinawa, Japan
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May 22, 2012 - 03:17pm PT
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what is the spiritual significance of Everest / chomolungma in nepal?
There are five famous sister goddesses who predate Buddhism in Tibet of which Miyolangsangma who lives on Everest is one. She is a younger sister of the most important one, named Tseringma who lives on the mountain most westerners call Gauri Shankar. Tseringma is pure white and rides on a snow lion in the center of the mandala while Miyolangsangma's subsidiary status puts her in the upper left hand hand corner, yellow in color and riding on a tiger.
Tseringma is the godess of long life and the protector spirit who is always prayed to by Rolwaling people before they climb. Miyolangsangma is the bringer and protector of wealth for the Khumbu people and has more than done her part for them. Because the Khumbu Sherpas are the most wealthy of the Sherpas, it is believed that Miyolangsangma is not displeased with the role of the Sherpas in mountaineering.
Westerners who have sex on her mountain do displease her and opinion is divided about the bodies. She and her sisters demanded human sacrifice before being subdued by Guru Rinpoche, the yogi who brought Buddhism to Tibet in the 8th century. Sometimes I think she has reverted.
All five were further instructed in Buddhism by the 12th century yogi Milarepa who is shown at the top of the mandala. He was famous for tumo, the ability to raise one's body heat during meditation and only wore cotton clothes through the Himalayan winters. He is also green in color from eating so many wild nettles while living in Tibet just north of Gauri Shankar
The name Chomo Lungma translates literally from Tibetan as "god female country mother" meaning protective goddess of the Khumbu countryside, not the whole world as westerners have portrayed in their obsession with its importance as the world's highest.
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Seamstress
Trad climber
Yacolt, WA
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May 22, 2012 - 03:29pm PT
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Guiding Everest is morally defensible if you don't guarentee a summit, are willing to turn people around, have exceptional guides, properly screen your clients, and have the appropriate support. Perhaps not everyone meets that criteria.
And why is a pretty woman the encapsulation of what is wrong with guiding Everest? Isn't the picture of a man getting help to tie in closer to the mean demographic?
There are plenty of objectives in the world. Why line-up for Bunny Face if you want a solitude alpine experience? Don't go to Everst if you want a peak to yourself.
People hire guides to go where they want to go. Evidently they want to go to Everest. I believe in freedom and personal responsibility. The world has too many rules, and there is way too much effort going into guarenteeing people protection from their own mistakes.
Funny is many here criticizing guiding on Everest will defend to the death their right to climb or solo. It looks just as inane to the rest of the population who continue to try to protect us from our "suicidal" tendencies.
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Lightenin'
climber
Muleshoeville
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May 22, 2012 - 04:19pm PT
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There are five famous sister goddesses who predate Buddhism in Tibet of which Miyolangsangma who lives on Everest is one ...
Thanks, Jan. I appreciate your post.
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SCseagoat
Trad climber
Santa Cruz
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May 22, 2012 - 04:30pm PT
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And why is a pretty woman the encapsulation of what is wrong with guiding Everest?
There is nothing wrong with pretty women on Everest...but on Everest or the local cemetery, doing a cheesecake photo in front of a memorial is, imo, deeply disturbing.
Susan
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jstan
climber
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May 22, 2012 - 04:44pm PT
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I heard Goran Kropp's lecture about his bicycle ride to Everest. In it he provided a picture of the scene in base camp.
He told of one fellow with a para sail who, to occupy himself, took his gf up to the top of a nearby height. As he was preparing to cast off his friend complained that she could not get down alone. He quickly came up with an answer. He tied her to himself with a 50 foot line, told her to stand at the edge of the precipice - and then jumped off. That part went relatively well, from his standpoint, but what came at the end of the flight he had not considered beforehand.
At the landing he was still fifty feet up and making rapid horizontal progress but she was being dragged like a sack of meal through all the boulders. Responding to her horrible screams the camp's denizens tried as best they could to put an end to the show. Goren indicated that relationship suffered some difficulty later on.
Had I been there, I would have told the youngster this might happen.
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Norwegian
Trad climber
Placerville, California
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May 22, 2012 - 04:47pm PT
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you are pretty arrogant mr. donini,
in suggesting that you have
a good handle on the moral code.
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Stewart Johnson
climber
lake forest
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May 22, 2012 - 05:00pm PT
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im sure you can find solitude on everest, go in the summer.
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The Magnet
climber
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May 22, 2012 - 05:19pm PT
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At the landing he was still fifty feet up and making rapid horizontal progress but she was being dragged like a sack of meal through all the boulders. Responding to her horrible screams the camp's denizens tried as best they could to put an end to the show. Goren indicated that relationship suffered some difficulty later on.
Had I been there, I would have told the youngster this might happen.
John, exactly what do you think that would have accomplished? I mean, it would feel good, but you can't have any illusion that he would have listened to you. After all, he had just paid many tens of thousands to get that crap to the base, and he thought he was a big ass climber.
People who think they are climbers never listen to discouraging words.
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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May 22, 2012 - 05:27pm PT
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From the Outside article, it sounds like the weather was nothing unusual, at most a bit windier than normal in the afternoon. Nothing like 1996. Pretty sad.
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