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happiegrrrl
Trad climber
New York, NY
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Mar 22, 2010 - 10:13pm PT
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bluering wrote: "Kinda. Bob posted that as if taxpayers get immediate relief for their contributions."
Could you point out where you feel Bob implied that? I don't see such an implication. What I recall is that you wrote that things wouldn't go into effect until after the next (presidential election) and Bob said "Are you sure? Check your facts"(paraphrase).
And.....you don't think a taxpaying parent isn't getting some form of "relief" via keeping the kid on the (likely much lower) insurance he gets from work(as opposed to the kid having none, having the parent pay a seperate policy, or pay the college's insurance fee?) It may not be a direct "tax burden" relief but if it is less costly.....
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Mar 22, 2010 - 10:14pm PT
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Don't you think this is a substantial immediate benefit Bluering?
Yeah, but that's not the point, Jackson! That was also part of the more sane Repub bill.
The point is that I HAVE TO PAY INTO A SYSTEM FOR OTHERS WITHOUT RECEIVING BENEFITS FOR 4 YEARS!!!!
As it is right now, I pay as I go, for my family, as I choose.
I think you people are mentally loose.
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monolith
climber
Berkeley, CA
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Mar 22, 2010 - 10:16pm PT
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Well Bluering, what would happen if you lost your job before the bill?
And you had to take work at a company that won't give insurance because there is no subsidy?
Now more small companies will offer insurance with the subsidy.
A lot of people are in this category and if you don't think this could benefit you then fine.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Mar 22, 2010 - 10:18pm PT
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Cobra?
Or I'd bust my ass to get another job with insurance?
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Boulder, CO
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Mar 22, 2010 - 10:19pm PT
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Blue wrote: The point is that I HAVE TO PAY INTO A SYSTEM FOR OTHERS WITHOUT RECEIVING BENEFITS FOR 4 YEARS!!!!
Do you make over $200,000 a year...if not..STFU.
Blue wrote: Cobra?
What does the RA stand for??
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monolith
climber
Berkeley, CA
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Mar 22, 2010 - 10:19pm PT
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Cobra is stunningly expensive.
Are you kidding? For a family?
Small business employs a lot of people.
You can bust your butt all you want but in economic downturns, you can be royally screwed for a long time.
Having more business offering insurance is an immediate benefit.
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Boulder, CO
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Mar 22, 2010 - 10:21pm PT
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monolith wrote: Cobra is stunningly expensive.
Thanks to Obama it is not that bad now...the government will paid for 65-percent for nine months...still the insurance companies are raping the system,
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Mar 22, 2010 - 10:23pm PT
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Could you point out where you feel Bob implied that? I don't see such an implication. What I recall is that you wrote that things wouldn't go into effect until after the next (presidential election) and Bob said "Are you sure? Check your facts"(paraphrase).
He implied that EVERYTHING would apply to the payers immediately. That ain't true. It applies to mostly non-payers.
His own link makes my point...Not only that, but many who would chose to forego insurance would be forced to pay up, even if their employees were hired under the agreement of limited healthcare. A private agreement.
Not anymore. YOU HAVE TO PAY UP!!!!
Do you make over $200,000 a year...if not..STFU.
So you're cool with taxing these people for others needs??? What if they live in the SF bay area at 200,00 a year?
Not exactly 'rich', you commie!
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Boulder, CO
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Mar 22, 2010 - 10:24pm PT
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Blue wrote: He implied that EVERYTHING would apply to the payers immediately. That ain't true. It applies to mostly non-payers.
This is the republican way...see what I want to see and not the facts.
Gdavis wrote: Not to nit pick, but it won't go into effect until after his term.
This statement is wrong...18 different points go in effect once it is sign by Obama. Can you understand that???
Blue wrote: The point is that I HAVE TO PAY INTO A SYSTEM FOR OTHERS WITHOUT RECEIVING BENEFITS FOR 4 YEARS!!!!
No you don't, by your own admission you don't make over $200,000 a year...you are going to get a tax break...again facts are a problem with you.
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
Arid-zona
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Mar 22, 2010 - 10:27pm PT
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Holy sh#t bluering do you even know how insurance works? You are already paying into a system and not seeing any benefits.
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jstan
climber
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Mar 22, 2010 - 10:29pm PT
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This here is a little like bailing water with a sieve.
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Boulder, CO
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Mar 22, 2010 - 10:32pm PT
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Bue wrote: Not exactly 'rich', you commie!
Typical from someone like you.
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monolith
climber
Berkeley, CA
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Mar 22, 2010 - 10:42pm PT
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And of course Bluey would not take the Cobra subsidy cuz that's what a commie would do.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Mar 22, 2010 - 10:49pm PT
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Good! I'm sick of uninsured motorists
So you're making the ridiculous comparison between auto and health insurance???
And I only occasionally quote blogs, dipshit! I know you demand more. Try keeping your own peeps to the same standard you hold me to.
EDIT:
And of course Bluey would not take the Cobra subsidy cuz that's what a commie would do.
I might, but unlike you other losers, I'd try to take care of myself first. Find a job with benefits. Duh?
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
Arid-zona
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Mar 22, 2010 - 10:52pm PT
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The big difference between health and auto insurance is that up until now health insurers haven't mitigated risk while auto insurers do. Now that it's a requirement that they actually cover sick people they will have to start managing risk...which is better for everyone.
Also I have to say it's pretty douchy of people like you bluering who pretend that jobs with benefits grow on trees and those who don't have them are simply too lazy to pluck one off, particularly in a time of 10% unemployment.
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nature
climber
Tucson, AZ
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Mar 22, 2010 - 10:53pm PT
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so.... what's going to happen to people like me? (I admit I've not been paying that much attention).
make less than $200K/year full-time. I pay for half of my insurance company pays for other half. (oxford / united healthcare). I have full coverage except a $30 co-pay for specialist (like a chiro).
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
Arid-zona
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Mar 22, 2010 - 10:56pm PT
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Nature: Your premiums will go up a bit (10-15% maybe) and heaven forbid you get something nasty like cancer your health insurance company will no longer be able to drop your coverage or cap it at a certain level when it gets too expensive. Also they won't be able to pretend to cover something and then not. Also, as I stated, your insurance company now actually has a stake in keeping you healthy which means they might bother to help keep you that way.
Also you'll be required to goose step and sing the "Praises be to the Holy One, Mighty Obama" hymn every day like the rest of us.
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nature
climber
Tucson, AZ
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Mar 22, 2010 - 10:57pm PT
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I see.... so in reading that I need to make an appointment very soon to get my chip implanted?
my premium is $400/month.
So I'm coughing up $30/month so some pinko-commie treehugging daughter can have coverage?
oh the outrage. oh the....
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Boulder, CO
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Mar 22, 2010 - 10:59pm PT
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Nature..I don't anything changes for you. I'm keeping my current policy. I wish there was public option and I would ditch mine in a heartbeat.
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
Arid-zona
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Mar 22, 2010 - 10:59pm PT
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You're coughing up that money to ensure that insurance companies actually cover sick people instead of kicking them to the curb when they start costing too much money. Oh and that sick person might someday be you.
Bob: While I agree that there should be a public option don't assume that you would have actually wanted it. If you can afford it you would likely have found better coverage elsewhere. That was kind of the point.
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