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Jingy
climber
Somewhere out there
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Rox - this is no debate.. LEY is "A CONSERVATIVE NON CLIMBER EDITED: "TROLL" on a "Climbers" Forum..."
I think many people agree.
Whether or not the word CUNT should apply to this half human... well.... We all have our opinions, and our as#@&%es.
Chew on it
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Captain...or Skully
climber
leading the away team, but not in a red shirt!
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LEB drugs children. For SHAME!!!
Evil, too, is subject to perspective. Evil LEB.
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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Jingy wrote: Rox - this is no debate.. LEY is "A CONSERVATIVE NON CLIMBER EDITED: "TROLL" on a "Climbers" Forum..."
Don't try to educated the fool...his cup "runneth over".
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shut up and pull
climber
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REAL CHANGE: House Will Take Up Repeal Of ObamaCare Before State Of The Union.
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
Swimming in LEB tears.
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LEB said But they hate her, Warbler, and they don't hate women in the general sense. In spite of her good looks, they hate her, anyway.
so you're upset because, in spite of a woman being physically attractive, they find her lack of morality, incessant lying and perpetual substanceless to be repugnant? Your indictment is that they are judging her as a person instead of a pair of tits with legs attached? Lordy be!
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shut up and pull
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REAL CHANGE:
NO MORE BAILOUTS: The Hill: California Republican touts legislation banning public pension bailouts.
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shut up and pull
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THE LEGACY OF THE PUBLIC EMPLOYEES' UNIONS AND THEIR DEM HANDMAIDENS:
HEH: NY Gov. David Paterson: Public Pension Funds Are About to Implode…And On That Note, I Am Outta Here! “Paterson bequeaths a state pension fund that is $71 billion underfunded to incoming Governor Andrew Cuomo. Nobody knows what ‘immediate action’ Cuomo has in mind to rescue New York’s pension system, but hopefully he’s got something up his sleeve besides the ‘ol tried and failed ‘rob Peter to pay Peter’ gimmick.”
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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LEB said
But they hate her, Warbler, and they don't hate women in the general sense. In spite of her good looks, they hate her, anyway.
Wow...what a hypocrite...look at the amount of lies and misinformation you have posted about Obama.
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Captain...or Skully
climber
leading the away team, but not in a red shirt!
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Who hates who, anyway? Hate is a stupid, repugnant thing. A foolish thing, that No "ethical" being would take part in.
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shut up and pull
climber
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VOTE OF CONFIDENCE: As frustration grows, airports consider ditching TSA. “For airports, the change isn’t about money. At issue, airport managers and security experts say, is the unwieldy size and bureaucracy of the federal aviation security system.”
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shut up and pull
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THOSE TEA PARTYING CANUCKS!
IF ONLY WE COULD BE AS PROGRESSIVE AS CANADA: Canada Drops Corporate Tax Rate to 16.5%, Less Than Half the U.S. Rate.
BUT OF COURSE, AS OBAMA SAID, RAISING OUR CORPORATE RATES IS ABOUT "FAIRNESS", REGARDLESS OF THE ECONOMIC CONSEQUENCES.
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shut up and pull
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JOBS? WE DON’T NEED NO STINKIN’ JOBS! “Why has California become the epicenter of unemployment? While Michigan and Florida have a mix of problems, including (in Michigan’s case) a history of bad management decisions on labor contracts, California’s Central Valley woes are entirely a government creation.”
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WALL STREET JOURNAL: The Liberal Reckoning of 2010: The year voters saw the left’s unvarnished agenda and said no. “Never has a Congress done so much and been so despised for it.” Hey, 13% of Americans still approve.
HOPEY CHANGEY!
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shut up and pull
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THE JOYS AND EFFICIENCIES OF GOVERNMENT:
RAND SIMBERG: The Shelby Swindle. NASA is forced to spend a half-billion dollars on a canceled rocket, and Rand observes: “It’s always useful to note that half a billion dollars is about what SpaceX (a private company) has spent to date on: creating a company, purchasing/leasing/modifying test, manufacturing and launch facilities, developing from scratch and demonstrating engines, two orbital launch systems, and a pressurized return capsule.”
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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LEB says
Seething anger and character assassinations because someone holds a position to which you disagree is NOT a good thing. I serve the same role here on ST that Palin does in the country at large
Actually, Sarah Palin very carefully chooses her audiences. She does NOT go in front of hostile crowds and deliberately provoke them. You do.
If you actually attended her rallies, you would find that there are many people there who are filled with seething anger who assassinate character of those who hold other positions.
You then profess surprise and alarm when you get responses that are somewhat predictable. I remember the link last week from the conservative blog, where they simply kick off anyone who posts anything that disagrees in any degree with the conservative agenda. That is conservative discourse.
This is liberal discourse. Notice that you still get to post your opinion.
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corniss chopper
climber
not my real name
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Dr F -
Could this explain the lack of cognitive function on your side of the
debate?
Drug companies lose billions of dollars a year (in their minds) from
patients not remembering to take their pills. Of course, half the reason
they can't remember to take their pills is because many pharmaceuticals
damage cognitive function..
(..but it gets better)
Proteus Biomedical of Redwood City, California partnered with
Novartis AG.
Big Pharma to begin microchipping drugs
http://www.naturalnews.com/030341_microchips_drugs.html
http://www.naturalnews.com/Big_Pharma.html
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jstan
climber
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This thread has no topic so.........
latimes.com/news/opinion/commentary/la-oe-mcmanus-twous-20110102,0,5332722.column
latimes.com
Op-Ed
The upward mobility gap
College-educated Americans live in a different country than high school dropouts. The best way to mend the divide is by providing access to a decent education.
Doyle McManus
January 2, 2011
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Here's a familiar fact: Economic inequality is rising in the United States. The rich have gotten richer, the poor have stayed poor, and families in the middle have seen their incomes stagnate.
Here's a less-familiar fact: Opportunity in America isn't what it used to be either. Among children born into low-income households, more than two-thirds grow up to earn a below-average income, and only 6% make it all the way up the ladder into the affluent top one-fifth of income earners, according to a study by economists at Washington's Brookings Institution.
We think of America as a land of opportunity, but other countries appear to offer more upward mobility. Children born into poverty in Canada, Britain, Germany or France have a statistically better chance of reaching the top than poor kids do in the United States.
What's gone wrong? Thanks to globalization, the economy is producing high-income jobs for the educated and low-income jobs for the uneducated — but few middle-income jobs for workers with high school diplomas. Thanks to the decline of public schools, it's harder for poor kids to get a good education. And Harvard sociologist Robert Putnam argues that thanks partly to the rise of two-income households, intermarriage between rich and poor has declined, choking off another historical upward path for the underprivileged.
"We're becoming two societies, two Americas," Putnam told me recently. "There's a deepening class divide that shows up in many places. It's not just a matter of income. Education is becoming the key discriminant in American life. Family structure is part of it too."
Increasingly, college-educated Americans live in a different country from those who never made it out of high school. As a group, adults with college degrees have an unemployment rate of 5%, steady or rising incomes, relatively stable families (their divorce rate declined over the last 10 years) and few children out of wedlock. Adults without a high school education, by contrast, face an unemployment rate over 15%, declining incomes, a higher divorce rate and have lots of kids out of wedlock. (Among black women who didn't finish high school, 96% of childbirths are outside marriage; among white women who didn't finish high school, 43%.)
And those mutually reinforcing conditions tend to stick from generation to generation. That's nice for affluent kids but a bad break for the underprivileged.
"Success in life increasingly depends on how smart you were in choosing your parents," Putnam said. "And that flies in the face of the fundamental American bargain — that every kid ought to have access to the same opportunities."
Can anything improve this troubling picture? Actually, yes. If we focus on increasing opportunity for the poor, there's plenty that can be done — beginning with education.
Brookings economists Ron Haskins and Isabel Sawhill studied the noneconomic components of poverty and came up with a rule. "If young people do three things — graduate from high school, get a job, and get married and wait until they're 21 before having a baby — they have an almost 75% chance of making it into the middle class," Haskins said.
Think of it as a stool with three legs: jobs, family and education. Government programs can help strengthen all three.
But the availability of jobs now depends mostly on the pace of economic recovery; the Obama administration's already done most of what it can on that score. Government promotion of stable families is an elusive goal; President George W. Bush funded programs like "marriage education" to encourage low-income couples to marry, but it's hard to measure the results. (The one clear success story, Sawhill noted, has been a marked decline in teenage pregnancy, thanks to government-supported efforts in education and contraception; but 82% of teen pregnancies are still unplanned, so there's still more to be done.)
That leaves education, which is the most promising ground for government action, in part because most Americans agree that fixing public education is the government's responsibility. Haskins and Sawhill say there's still plenty that can be done to increase access to higher education for low-income kids, including relatively easy things such as simplifying the application for college financial aid, which is an intimidating 127 questions long.
But perhaps the most important thing the federal government can do to promote opportunity, they say, is to expand its current efforts to improve public schools. The focus, Haskins said, should be on giving low-income students "more order, more work and more recognition for achievement."
Education reform is already a bipartisan goal. Republicans support it as well as Democrats — incoming House Speaker John A. Boehner (R- Ohio) as well as President Obama. They will probably disagree over how much to spend and over how much federal direction to give state and local authorities. But overcoming those differences is a worthy challenge for this new year.
Most Americans accept inequality in the economy as long as the ladder of opportunity is accessible to anyone who wants to work hard. The best way for America to reclaim its self-image as a land of opportunity is to ensure that every kid has access to a decent education — now more than ever the first step onto the ladder. That's why bipartisan education reform isn't just about fixing schools; it's about repairing the fabric of American society.
doyle.mcmanus@latimes.com
Copyright © 2010, Los Angeles Times
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Upward mobility and particularly mobility due to education tends to be incremental. A thirty percent shift takes 100 years. Several generations.
The American lack of patience works against us.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Rox, you wrote:
And as to her being a "non-expert" doctor, I have heard it said that a NP is HARDER to get than a MD. Its often used by people who went into nursing originally because of financial or other reasons rather than trying to get a full MD program, and rather than start entirely over, they continue their education in their field, eventually topping out about where Lois is.
Rox, it is easy to take things out of context, and to assume that a dig was intended when it was not. LEB knows it was not. In the context in which I was talking, answering a question that LEB asked about dealing with drug prescribing, there is a standard that exists, in which a generalist, such as a family physician, an internist, a nurse practitioner, a physician assistant MUST seek the consultation of an expert---which is defined as a SPECIALIST in the field. This might be a Psychiatrist, Neurologist, Psychopharmacologist, Pain Specialist, etc, etc. To not do so would be considered NEGLIGENCE and MALPRACTICE, at least in the State of California, depending upon the condition being treated. These specialists are all physicians, and these levels of expertise are not obtainable by a Nurse Practioner, whose scope of practice is designed to do something entirely different.
"I have heard it said that a NP is HARDER to get than a MD."
I am not sure what you mean by that.
Does an MD require more education at a higher level-yes, considerably.
Are MDs licenced to do things beyond what NPs are licenced-yes, considerably.
Are there fewer positions available for training NPs? yes! The position of NP was only created in 1965, and is now licensed in every state, with more positions available every year.
I'm sure you didn't mean to be misleading.
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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The problem with education isn't the lack of it's availability. It's the hostility of some cultures to it.
Why after Roosevelt confiscated everything from Japanese Americans they were reduced to being the gardeners in the post war years.
Their kids all became professionals.
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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