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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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It was your first post-ban post. Though you'd previously posted as A. Crowley, rather than Aleisteir Crowley.
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
Swimming in LEB tears.
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Reality (and buyer's remorse) begins to strike....and the new guys aren't even seated yet.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/02/us/politics/02teaparty.html?_r=1&hp
Tea Party Activists Angry at G.O.P. Leaders
By KATE ZERNIKE
As Tea Party politicians prepare to take their seats when the 112th Congress convenes this week, they are already taking issue with Republicans for failing to hold the line against the flurry of legislation enacted in the waning weeks of Democratic control of the House of Representatives and for not giving some candidates backed by Tea Party groups powerful leadership positions.
Just a month ago, Tea Party leaders were celebrating their movement’s victories in the midterm elections. But as Congress wrapped up an unusually productive lame-duck session last month, those same Tea Party leaders were lamenting that Washington behaved as if it barely noticed that American voters had repudiated the political establishment.
In their final days controlling the House, Democrats succeeded in passing legislation that Tea Party leaders opposed, including a bill to cover the cost of medical care for rescue workers at the site of the World Trade Center attacks, an arms-control treaty with Russia, a food safety bill and a repeal of the ban on gay men and lesbians serving openly in the military.
“Do I think that they’ve recognized what happened on Election Day? I would say decisively no,” said Mark Meckler, a co-founder of Tea Party Patriots, which sent its members an alert last month urging them to call their representatives to urge them to “stop now and go home!!”
“We sent them a message that we expect them to go home and come back newly constituted and do something different,” Mr. Meckler said. “For them to legislate when they’ve collectively lost their mandate just shows the arrogance of the ruling elite. I can’t imagine being repudiated in the way they were and then coming back and saying ‘Now that we’ve been repudiated, let’s go pass some legislation.’ ”
“I’m surprised by how blatant it was,” he added.
Wow, he's saying exactly what I've been saying for a month. Funny how none of the "Tea Party" guys on this forum have been able to man up and agree with me.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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As for ad hominem attacks on Crowley (who is making blatant threats directed at me), I would say I have exercised considerable restraint under the circumstances. I did take the measure of emailing Chris Mac to advise him that AC is once again making threats directed at persons on the forum. I don't know when you joined us but AC has a history of not only making threats on the forum but then escalating it to the point of calling people at their homes and even their places of employment as he takes said threats to the next level. He has been banned before for this behavior and it appears to be surfacing again.
LEB, what you post may or may not be true. The fact that you have posted untrue or unverifiable things about the President, repeatedly, does not do a lot for your credibility, you understand.
That aside, the problem here is that you are in the position of saying what a problem guy YOU KNOW Crowley to be, and then you go out of your way to DELIBERATELY PROVOKE him by Ad Hominem attacks! What are the purpose of the attacks and the interactions with him, if he is so bad? Others can claim lack of understanding, but you are a health care professional, in the middle of a discussion of dealing with people with mental health problems that you prescribe mind altering medication for! The adult reaction is disengagement, as many do with Shut Up and Pull.
It appears to me that you are deliberately provoking Crowley, poking him with a stick, to generate a response. It looks like you are TRYING to push him to react in an exaggerated way that will result in some sort of sanction against him here on ST. It feels like you would find that to be an enormous victory, a non-climber getting a climber kicked off of a climbing site, by manipulating them into progressively more outlandish statements. If that's what you are doing, shame on you.
Be careful, Crowley.
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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Ken...Lois know exactly what she is doing. She is constantly judging and making back handed insults to anyone who doesn't agree with her.
The sad part she really thinks her lame ass opinions mean something to someone.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Let me ask your opinion. How do you feel about renewing ADHD drugs initiated by someone else and then doing so over a long term basis. Also where do you stand on renewing controlled substances in significant quantities and on a chronic basis when these scripts where started by someone else and you have inherited the patient. It makes me very uncomfortable yet I have worked in institutions where there is considerable administrative pressure to do just that. I don't like it at all. In fact, Ken, I have left jobs because of it.
I think there are professional standards for this sort of thing.
It is probably less of a problem for a Nurse Practionioner, who is less likely to be recognized as an expert in the field in question, whereas a physician, even a Family Practitioner or Internist, can be an Addiction Specialist or Pain Specialist.
For a NP, or a non-expert physician, getting expert opinion consultation is mandatory on a periodic basis, or when the situation is such that the primary clinician is not comfortable with the appropriateness or safety of the situation. If the job environment does not support that, then the liability falls squarely on the shoulders of the practitioner writing the prescriptions, and the practitioner is crazy if they do not get out.
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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Lois wrote: Also, Ken, I am not sure if you are aware of this fact but he also has a known substance abuse problem and as that problem escalates, he becomes increasingly out of control. I am strongly advocating that he seek treatment for this problem and it is in his best interest to do so.
That is hilarious coming from a true troll and fake. Over 18,000 posts on a climbing site from a non climber. Look in the mirror lady, you are the one with major problems.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Comrade Ken,
I agree with you, the elected Republicans have done a poor job of spending cuts, let's hope a tea party influenced group motivates the rest of the GOP to get on the project. And, I agree with you, we are having to a high a concentration of wealth, but the only way to solve that is to have the lower and middle classes rise up, there will be opportunities going forward.
I am afraid, however, that that is the "2nd Amendment solution", which will result in chaos, and actual dictatorship, as proposed by some in the right wing evangelical movement, who want a country run by Christian Law (sharia equivalent)
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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Dr. F wrote: Maybe the Tea Baggers will repeal the Tax cuts for the rich (McConnell's terrorist demands)
since they are so concerned about spending, that seems like the exact thing they should work on first
so we can do some real deficit cutting
Why...they are hypocrites.
The CBO stated the effects of the tax cuts on deficit (trillions) and also stated the effects of the health care reform (reduction)...guess what one they will go after.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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You do not well serve him by defending him. You would better serve him by calling him on the behavior and advocating that he seek treatment. Your defense of him at this time puts you in the role of an enabler, however, well meaning you might be. There is considerable history here concerning which you might not be aware. Better you should assist him and encourage him to seek treatment.
I am not addressing his actions, so you cannot state that I am defending him. I am addressing YOUR actions. I am stating that if you believe that what you say is true, then you are crazy to provoke Crowley.
Ask 100 people what they think of a person who goes into downtown Harlem, and starts shouting about "how stupid all Ni**ers are", who proceeds to get beaten to a pulp, and you will find that about 100 of them consider that that person got what they asked for.
When you directly deal with Crowley, and confront Crowley, and provoke Crowley.....what are YOU asking for?
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Ron Said:
during my forest service stint, i considered myself a liberal. As the forest service usually got a bigger budget under them. Then,,,i saw how they spent said budget-which brought out the conservative side- a bit of ping pong if you will. At this juncture, it is hard for me to get behind ANY side, as they all have a hand in the general sell out of America.
Hey, have volunteered for the FS for the last 10 years or so. Boy, you sure have to ignore a lot of stuff, or go crazy.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Locker said
Ken...
I am going to have to disagree with you, to a degree...
because nothing Lois has written here deserves the behavior she is getting from A Crowley (and others all the way to being called a "Cunt" again)...
Actually, Locker, thanks for the comment, because you give me the opportunity to clear something up.
I totally agree with you, above.
I've been very uncomfortable with what she has been getting. Not polite. Demeaning to the speaker, not the recipient. Demeaning to ST and the group.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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The liberal side is
WE want to fix Government, not make it bigger and less efficient
The right wingers say we want big wasteful Government, what a F-ing lie
we can fix the system, if there wasn't so much special interest involved, and that my friend, was put in place by the Conservatives
Get the conservtive special interest OUT, and we can do whats right
dead on
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Locker, I can see where you are coming from, but I'd point out to you that most of the posts that you are talking about that attack LEB are in response to things that she has posted, voluntarily.
For example, she has initiated a number of threads, sometimes a couple simultaneously, in which she has taken up subjects that are clearly designed to enflame and enrage those of liberal pursuasion. She need not do that. She is a reasonably skillful wordsmith, she could craft her statements on the subjects in a way that would not be so provocative and designed to produce anger.
After a bunch of this, yes, there have been posts out of the blue attacking her, or even whole threads....but those have largely been in response to a series of threads initiated by her, in my observation.
Despite that, I still agree with you that the foul language and such has not been warranted.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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"Healthcare Professionals" are HUMAN too...
and on the OTHER side of the coin...
the MENTALLY ILL are very often AWARE and IN CONTROL of their behaviors...
MENTALLY ILL does not = STUPID...
;-)
Right on, brother.
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Jingy
climber
Somewhere out there
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C#&% = Palin, too
Not just feminazi's
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Jingy
climber
Somewhere out there
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"What is it about the fact that a woman is saying these things which anger and incense you so? What would be different if a man were to be saying the very same things?"
Not sure what you mean troll? Conservative sh#t smells the same weather it is spewed by a man or a woman. What makes you think there is a difference? Again, what would would be difference if a man were to be saying what? Drivel
if a man were to say it?
I thought men say it all the time..
Clear that up
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Jingy
climber
Somewhere out there
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Locker, you forgot "troll" in that description
LEY:"I am the Palin of this forum."
is this a proud moment for you?
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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Locker wrote: Ken...
I am going to have to disagree with you, to a degree...
because nothing Lois has written here deserves the behavior she is getting from A Crowley (and others all the way to being called a "Cunt" again)...
Dude...what don't you understand? Lois love the attention...18,000 posts in four years.
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Jingy
climber
Somewhere out there
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Locker - You really did edit that... bwahahahahhaha
"A CONSERVATIVE NON CLIMBER EDITED: "TROLL" on a "Climbers" Forum..."
That is too funny
LEY, you are a troll. Like all the other conservatives out there, you like to try to control everything, pretty soon, I expect you to have another one of your blowouts, where you wine about how people are writing to you and talking about you on your favorite trolling place.
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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Rox wrote: While Dr F and Bob and a couple other asses endlessly debate the meaning of the word "cunt" as being used to describe a VERY highly educated woman who does more for people in a day than they do in a year, the political discussion is being buried in a pile of crap.
Who is the ass...I never have debated the meaning of the word directed at Lois.
Get a life.
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