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jstan
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Dec 30, 2010 - 07:49pm PT
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If one says often enough and loudly enough that:
1. SS is not an entitlement
2. the money has already been spent
enough people will accept it to make it possible to change the names of the owners on those Federal securities without there being an uproar.
A 2.5 trillion dollar theft.
With the sums thrown to the winds during the past years, 2.5 trillion won't be enough to satisfy the recipients. Title to all Federal lands might help make up the difference.
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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Dec 30, 2010 - 08:10pm PT
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Sorry Kris...Vick made some huge mistakes...he has the chance to do some major good. I hope it works out for him.
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corniss chopper
Mountain climber
san jose, ca
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Dec 30, 2010 - 08:43pm PT
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According to the prosecutor's statement of facts in the case, between
2002 and 2007 Michael Vick and his co-conspirators Purnell Peace, Quanis
Phillips and Tony Taylor killed thirteen dogs by various methods
including wetting one dog down and electrocuting her, hanging, drowning
and shooting others and, in at least one case, by slamming a dog’s body to
the ground.
Michael Vick didn't make a mistake. He didn't "make a bad choice." Over a
period of five years he forced dogs into deadly fights, and he personally
killed, or conspired to kill, thirteen dogs. He didn't pick a quick,
painless method of killing, but instead chose a variety of means that
qualify as torture. Pit Bulls are powerful dogs. Imagine how hard you
would have to work to kill a Pit Bull by forcibly drowning him.
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution also reports, "Sometimes [the dogs] were
starved to make them more vicious in the pit."
And Michael Vick didn’t confine the abuse and killing to his own Pit Bulls
Quanis Phillips, like Vick and Peace, "thought it was funny" to place
family pets in the ring with trained fighting dogs
According to a November 2008 ESPN.com news story, a report prepared by the
USDA's inspector general-investigations division revealed that Vick,
Purnell Peace, Quanis Phillips and Tony Taylor also put family pet dogs
into the ring with trained pit bulls.
The report, dated Aug. 28, 2008, says, "Vick, Peace and Phillips thought
it was funny to watch the pit bull dogs belonging to [Vick’s] Bad Newz
Kennels injure or kill the other dogs."
http://www.examiner.com/pet-rescue-in-los-angeles/michael-vick-released-time-to-remember-what-vick-actually-did-to-dogs
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Dec 30, 2010 - 09:21pm PT
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2) President bush ordering soldiers to torture human beings
In your imagination
An outrageous claim requires substantial evidence.
Please provide it.
A total of three terrorists were authorized for water boarding
The information garnered saved hundreds if not thousands of lives,
and it was done by civilians.
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Dec 30, 2010 - 09:27pm PT
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Think progress is propaganda, not evidence.
Find a real source.
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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Dec 30, 2010 - 09:29pm PT
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You are a real ding-a-ling...
In 1947, the United States charged a Japanese officer, Yukio Asano, with war crimes for carrying out another form of waterboarding on a U.S. civilian. The subject was strapped on a stretcher that was tilted so that his feet were in the air and head near the floor, and small amounts of water were poured over his face, leaving him gasping for air...
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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Dec 30, 2010 - 09:31pm PT
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TGT...let see your source on claims that your son has a IQ of 190...LOL...idiot!
"The Torture Act makes it a felony for any person, acting under color of law, to commit an act of torture upon any person within the defendant’s custody or control outside the United States.[27] Torture is defined as the intentional infliction of “severe physical or mental pain or suffering” upon a person within the defendant’s custody or control.[28] To be “severe,” any mental pain or suffering resulting from torture must be “prolonged.”[29] Under this law, torture is punishable by up to twenty years imprisonment unless the victim dies as a result of the torture, in which case the penalty is death or life in prison.[30]
The War Crimes Act differs from the Torture Act in several respects. It applies to acts committed inside or outside the United States, not simply to acts committed outside the United States.[31] Second, it prohibits actions by any American citizen or any member of the armed forces of the United States, not simply to persons acting under color of law.[32] Third, violations of the War Crimes Act that do not result in death of the victim are punishable by life in prison, not simply for a term of twenty years.[33] Finally, when it was enacted in 1996, the War Crimes Act did not mention torture or any other specific conduct like the Torture Act does, but rather contained a very broad definition of the offense. The original statute provided that “war crimes” included any “grave breach” of the Geneva Conventions.[34] In 2006, in the Military Commissions Act, Congress defined the term “grave breach” of Common Article 3 of the Geneva Convention to include “torture” as well as “cruel or inhuman treatment” of prisoners.[35] As in the Torture Act, the War Crimes Act (as amended by the Military Commissions Act of 2006) defines “torture” as the intentional infliction of “severe physical or mental pain or suffering.”[36] Cruel or inhuman treatment is defined as “serious physical or mental pain or suffering,” and also includes “serious physical abuse.”[37] The law defines “serious physical pain or suffering” as including “extreme physical pain.”[38] All of these clarifications of the term “grave breaches” of Common Article 3 were made retroactive to 1997.[39] The 2006 Act replaced the requirement that mental harm be “prolonged” with a more broad definition that mental harm be merely “serious and non-transitory.”[40]
The third federal statute that prohibits waterboarding is entitled “Prohibition on Cruel, Inhuman or Degrading Treatment or Punishment of Persons under Custody or Control of the United States Government.”[41] This law was enacted in 2005 as part of the Detainee Treatment Act,[42] and in 2006 it was supplemented in the Military Commissions Act by a statutory provision entitled “Additional Prohibition on Cruel Inhuman or Degrading Treatment or Punishment.”[43] These civil rights laws very simply state that no person under the physical control of the United States anywhere in the world may be subjected to any “cruel, inhuman, or degrading treatment or punishment,”[44] and they each define “cruel, inhuman, or degrading treatment or punishment” to be any treatment or punishment which would violate the Fifth, Eighth, or Fourteenth Amendments to the Constitution of the United States.[45] These civil rights laws award the same rights to all prisoners who are in the custody of the United States anywhere in the world as citizens of the United States are entitled to under the Constitution. This means that if it is unconstitutional to subject prisoners in the United States to waterboarding, then it is illegal to commit this act against prisoners in the War on Terror, wherever they are being detained."
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corniss chopper
Mountain climber
san jose, ca
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Dec 30, 2010 - 09:32pm PT
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Bob -Did the convicted officer believe this civilian had intel they could use to sway the war in their favor?
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corniss chopper
Mountain climber
san jose, ca
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Dec 30, 2010 - 09:35pm PT
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Weird that T.W. associates Vick dog fighting with water-boarding terrorists
to prevent future attacks that could kill our family or friends
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corniss chopper
Mountain climber
san jose, ca
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Dec 30, 2010 - 10:06pm PT
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The Warbler - first lets have you answer it as seems to have struck a nerve.
Studies have shown that serial killers start out torturing animals.
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Douglas Rhiner
Mountain climber
Truckee , CA
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Dec 30, 2010 - 10:32pm PT
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I'd love to see the person you tortured meet you at a Raiders game.
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dirtbag
climber
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Dec 30, 2010 - 10:34pm PT
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That Obama thinks what is did is no big deal enough to endorse him -
Where did he say and do that?
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Dec 30, 2010 - 10:39pm PT
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I'd love to see the person you tortured meet you at a Raiders game.
What does that even mean??? That we shouldn't defend ourselves for fear of retribution??? Do you know what KSM revealed under waterboarding 'interrogation'?.
Do you have any thoughts on the pscho I linked above? Death penalty or more parole boards??? More dead cops and citizens so we can 'appear' to be comapssionate?
This goes out to all you liberals too. Please reply, if you have the courage to confront your misguided ideals.
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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Dec 30, 2010 - 10:49pm PT
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Blue wrote: This goes out to all you liberals too. Please reply, if you have the courage to confront your misguided ideals.
LOL.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Dec 30, 2010 - 10:50pm PT
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Well, Bob....?
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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Dec 30, 2010 - 10:54pm PT
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Blue...put a bullet in his head.
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Dec 30, 2010 - 11:00pm PT
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psst, Blue, he's subtley suggesting that your statement made no sense. perhaps you could elaborate?
i'm with Sis on the animal thing.
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