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Brandon-
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The Granite State.
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Jan 21, 2016 - 02:16pm PT
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Trump is a GC like I'm a rocket surgeon. I'd be surprised if he could extrapolate pertinent info from a set of detailed plans.
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Happiegrrrl2
Trad climber
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Jan 21, 2016 - 05:01pm PT
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Werner - While we all blather on about the news du jour, it gives YOU something to go on about! It's like you can't help yourself from watching the bunch of dummies on your computer screen, just like we can't help watching the dummies.....
It's the Vicious Cycle of internet life.
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overwatch
climber
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Jan 21, 2016 - 05:04pm PT
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Cabinet spot...brutally clever there, heysus
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Tom
Big Wall climber
San Luis Obispo CA
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Jan 21, 2016 - 05:32pm PT
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The Cabinet is not the proper place for Sarah Palin.
She belongs in the Hatch.
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Jan 21, 2016 - 05:56pm PT
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Why in the hell are we doing all this amateurish speculating and arguing back and forth when we could simply ask the Smoking Duck?
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Norton
Social climber
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Jan 21, 2016 - 06:26pm PT
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Why not Donald picking Sarah as his VP?
They are of comparable intelligence and seem to like each other very much.
She has shown that she has used the past seven years wisely by studying up on
all that foreign and economic policy stuff so she is fully qualified to be VP.
She is already imploring the Donald supporters to donate money to her "travel fund"
so she can follow Donald around to rallies and help him out.
What do you think, Trump/Sarah 2016?
please join me in voting for Donald to be the nominee in your state's republican primary, he is the right person to face Hillary in the general election.
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NutAgain!
Trad climber
South Pasadena, CA
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Jan 21, 2016 - 06:31pm PT
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WHAT SPECIFIC CONCERNS DO FOLKS HAVE WITH SOCIALISM?
I almost started a new thread, but I figured this is the right audience here and we don't need yet another political thread. Why is democratic socialism scary for some folks? It does not represent the privatization of property or businesses in general; rather, it represents the removal of profiteering middle-men in industries where free market dynamics do not lead to improved outcomes for the vast majority of people. It is a thoughtful hybrid of free market capitalism, with an oversight for environmental and healthcare and education interests that reflects the will of most people rather than the survival of the fittest" economic powerhouses that under our current political environment does not take into account the real costs that enable the current economic powerhouses to dominate. It reduces profit earned through unseen human misery in intolerable working conditions. It reduces profit earned through extortion, where losing all worldly assets is the better alternative than death and painful suffering for lack of an available treatment. It reduces profit through the uncompensated consumption of public resources that our future generations should have access to.
I can see the potential concerns for bureaucratic hoops to jump through for government replacing insurance... but honestly, would those growing pains be any worse than what we have today with companies explicitly trying to screw you to maximize profits?
I just don't get the thought processes of "conservative" republican minds. I know you aren't all stupid... there must be another perspective or a more visceral reaction to a reality I don't grasp that sets us apart. I'm trying to understand your perspective.
Or is it simply that fear of other religions wiping out our way of life, fear of immigrants taking our jobs, that looms so large that all other issues or logic are irrelevant? I'm trying here...
I have to believe there is something deeper behind support for Trump than the machismo b.s. posturing, a desire for a "strong" leader to take care of you.
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Tom
Big Wall climber
San Luis Obispo CA
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Jan 21, 2016 - 06:32pm PT
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Trump + Palin = Dumber and Dumbest
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nature
climber
Boulder, CO
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Jan 21, 2016 - 09:30pm PT
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Palin is a professional victim, incoherent speaker and blight on our cultural landscape but that doesn't mean she should be attacked for her son's actions.
This is why I would beg to differ
Sarah Palin Blames Obama For Her Son’s Domestic Violence Arrest
http://samuel-warde.com/2016/01/sarah-palin-blames-obama-for-her-son/
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Jan 21, 2016 - 09:40pm PT
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it represents the removal of profiteering middle-men in industries where free market dynamics do not lead to improved outcomes for the vast majority of people
I'm not aware of any agreed upon game plan for universal socialism particularly
with regard to this broad brush stroke. If you've been to Europe and paid
the outrageous prices for many things there you would know that profiteering
middle men are alive and thriving.
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NutAgain!
Trad climber
South Pasadena, CA
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Jan 21, 2016 - 11:12pm PT
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Reilly, I've been to Europe a handful of times. One time in Spain my ex-wife had a pain in her hip bad enough to make her go to a hospital. We had no idea how the system worked- went in, relatively short wait time (considering no appointment and no apparent emergency), got it checked out, got X-rays, got it interpreted by someone, discharged with ZERO cost to us! I was flabbergasted that even as tourists from another country we received the benefits paid by citizens of the country.
I agree the cost of many material goods are similar to America but the lower wages makes it harder to lead an extravagant lifestyle. They have trouble keeping their governments solvent. And of course greedy people will find a way to corrupt and subvert whatever system is designed.
But the principle is a valid one, the best I can dream up, of using government intervention to represent the interests of the people with respect to the environment, healthcare, and education, against the profit-motive which drives capitalism. Mind you I like the profit motive a lot, and firmly believe in capitalism, but I don't think it should drive policy for everything in our life.
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dirtbag
climber
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Jan 21, 2016 - 11:28pm PT
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I agree that children should generally be off limits. Bristol might be an exception, since she has sought public attention and is an adult.
However, Sarah also should not have used her son to take cheap political shots at the president.
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Degaine
climber
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Jan 22, 2016 - 12:11am PT
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Reilly wrote:
If you've been to Europe and paid
the outrageous prices for many things there you would know that profiteering
middle men are alive and thriving.
With regard to healthcare, you have no idea of what you're writing about.
In France, a visit to your GP costs 23€ (of which the national health insurance pays roughly 17€). In the US, depending upon where you live, the cost (billed to insurance) is somewhere between $100-$200 of which the patient usually has a copay (often up to $30). An ultrasound costs around 70€ in France, in the USA, for a pregnant woman, the cost is at least $250 and can be as high as $1000.
The cost of healthcare per capita in the USA is $9000 per year, and several million people are still uninsured. The cost per capita in France and Germany is half that, and in Japan the cost per capit is 1/3 of what it is in the USA, yet in the latter three countries outcomes are far better and everyone is covered.
Or maybe you knew that and were just talking about a plate of overpriced pasta you ate once at a tourist trap in Rome?
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divad
Trad climber
wmass
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Jan 22, 2016 - 07:02am PT
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you're a republican if you can listen to Sarah Palin for 2 minutes and not get a headache.
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EdwardT
Trad climber
Retired
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Jan 22, 2016 - 07:04am PT
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Sarah Palin - Money grubbing, white trash.
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Jan 22, 2016 - 08:14am PT
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but that doesn't mean she should be attacked for her son's actions.
Actually, I'm attacking her for her actions.
After her son goes bezonkers, where is she to support her family? I mean, a total family melt-down, in her home. And where does she go the very next day?
Soulless.
I have no respect for parents who aren't there for their children. Especially public figures, whose #1 priority should be their offspring. I mean, if they don't care about their own children, how on Earth will they care for others.
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
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Jan 22, 2016 - 08:17am PT
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I think it's weak to make assumptions about someone's character because they did not respond to a family crisis in the manner we imagine ourselves doing. We don't know the dynamics or the details. It's a family issue and he's an adult.
Now, her decision to find another way to make this an issue of her family being victimized by the President is another case all together...
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Jan 22, 2016 - 08:19am PT
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With regard to healthcare, you have no idea of what you're writing about.
You guys have serious reading comprehension difficulties. What part of
"profiteering middlemen" implies anything pertaining to healthcare?
Now, if you'll excuse me, I'll get back to my article on the ECB and Mario Draghi.
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Jan 22, 2016 - 08:22am PT
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I think it's weak to make assumptions about someone's character because they did not respond to a family crisis in the manner we imagine ourselves doing.
I respectfully disagree. If her son was not in her home, out living on his own, then yeah, maybe...maybe she would have a defense that he is no longer part of her family.
I don't care who you are, if your immediate family is in crisis, you go to help. And this is especially true if you are a public figure who is trying to gain some sense of responsibility.
At least any parent for whom I have an ounce of respect, they take care for their family.
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