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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Jul 13, 2011 - 08:48pm PT
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Chief, we're not broke, not at all. How many homes could we "solarize" for each cruise missile we launch to wipe out a wedding party?
That "boat" you served on, how many schools could be built or expanded for each day that thing is in operation?
For that matter, just what navy is it we are so afraid of that we need a navy of our size?
Changing the narrative is classic liberal....
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Gary
climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Jul 13, 2011 - 08:50pm PT
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WTF, bluey? I'm responding to The Chief. And it is on topic to this thread.
edit: I just read your post! LOL! Who's changing the narrative?
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Jul 13, 2011 - 08:54pm PT
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Analogy, Gary.
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dirtbag
climber
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Jul 13, 2011 - 08:55pm PT
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How many kids ya got Dirt?? Ya got a mortgage? You unemployed or making min wage cus your job got shipped over to China.
Answer up?
All this stuff I blah blah blah about are all issues that most of the "skeptics" base their dogma on.
And not one of you has a real world solution for the millions and millions of people throughout the world that are living in a constant day to day financial survival mode. Not one.
Explain it to them millions of financially hurting and hungry folks throughout the world DIRT. Not me.
Are you aware that 1 out of every 10 children in the US of A are homeless and if lucky get one maybe two meals a day in school. Tell them kids that they should do their part to stop AGW. And what is the general HS and teen preg drop out rate at these days? Tell them kids that they gotta do their part for AGW.
Most if not all of the worlds gov't's are corrupt. The very ones that you demand need to fix this shet.
Not one of you PhD's and Science Intellects and Liberal way of gotta save the world fanatics factor any of these real life deals into your modeling processes. All ya do is continue throwing out all this consensus scientific data out and boost the feeding frenzy amongst one eachother.
Next time you are out in the real world and see a homeless hungry kid and/or their parent/s, go on up to them with all this AGW modeling data and ask them what they think about it all.
Now who's the hysterical one?
You act like addressing the problem will doom everyone and everything.
And so what if most people don't know that AGW is a problem? Most people don't know sh#t about anything, truth be told. Me AND you included.
Ignoring a problem is a good idea?
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dirtbag
climber
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Jul 13, 2011 - 09:00pm PT
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It's none of your business. I'm not going to answer.
And it's irrelevant.
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 13, 2011 - 09:15pm PT
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So let me get this straight The Chief. You're claiming that the arctic ice in the Southern Hemisphere is increasing, year over year??
Really?
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 13, 2011 - 09:17pm PT
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The Chief, how people fair economically on this planet has nothing to do with the physics of how the planet behaves to our burning fossil fuels.
Thought I'd point that out, even though it should be painfully obvious.
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dirtbag
climber
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Jul 13, 2011 - 09:30pm PT
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You're all over the place Chief.
But go on...tell us more....you know everything.
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 13, 2011 - 09:40pm PT
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Interesting.
Sea ice is frozen seawater that floats on the ocean surface. Blanketing millions of square kilometers, sea ice forms and melts with the polar seasons, affecting both human activity and biological habitat.
Read more about it here: http://nsidc.org/sotc/sea_ice.html
Looks like FortMental has already seen this.
Doesn't exactly jive with what The Chief is trying to pour down our throats.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Jul 13, 2011 - 09:47pm PT
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to "Chiefafy" a thread now has entered the SuperTopo lexicon..........
joining Loisify
endless loop
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Jul 13, 2011 - 10:13pm PT
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Chief, people and for profit corporations do not "willingly" do a LOT of things that are for the collective good.
For example, we collect income taxes for defense, roads, ect and we have to do under "threat" of sanction, either tax penalty or even worst case, some prison time.
Relax, Chief, I know you are on a very limited government pension and healthcare and you have made it clear that you have a real concern of MAYBE, someday being required to pay some sort of "carbon tax"..
Chief, I think your concerns are overblown.
YOU will likely be long DEAD long before there is any kind of carbon tax levied on individual citizens.
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Chiloe
Trad climber
Lee, NH
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Jul 13, 2011 - 10:16pm PT
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C'mon, Chiloe, are you going to cover for them still?
You know who I'm talking about too.
I'm covering for no one, just telling the truth. While you're repeating made-up facts you've been told, and fervently believe without checking because they fit your politics.
Here you drop a whole nest of 'em,
How many 'prominent' scientists have been proven to be liars, deceivers, or frauds on the AGW side, that were the 'preeminent minds in the field'.
Zero, that's the truth.
Or,
Same thing with "global warming" that got renamed "climate change" because the results didn't fit the dogma.
What's the CC in IPCC stand for? When do you suppose it was founded?
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Chiloe
Trad climber
Lee, NH
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Jul 13, 2011 - 10:25pm PT
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Chief, how we coming on those photos of huge melt ponds you saw at the South Pole? You've made what, 30 posts to this thread since that claim?
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Jul 13, 2011 - 10:40pm PT
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Ed, correct me if I'm wrong, but it's not about sea-level rise, but more about fresher sea-ice diluting the Atlantic Sea 'jet stream'. Thus, changing the characteristics of it's normal flow.
I'm still sticking by my solar-rays stories that I've read. I think it has been proven that many planets in our immediate sphere of orbit are warming at similar rates.
And where the f*#k did Al Gore go anyways? Is he done making money already?
EDIT: If we agree on nothing else, can we agree that he should STFU and go away?
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Jul 13, 2011 - 10:50pm PT
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I wonder if these dudes are all paid off by oil companies;
In fact, the total number of scientists represented in the report is 12 times the number of U.N. scientists who authored the official IPCC 2007 report.
Here are some choice excerpts from the report:
* "I am a skeptic ... . Global warming has become a new religion." -- Nobel Prize Winner for Physics, Ivar Giaever.
* "Since I am no longer affiliated with any organization nor receiving any funding, I can speak quite frankly ... . As a scientist I remain skeptical." -- Atmospheric Scientist Dr. Joanne Simpson, the first woman in the world to receive a Ph.D. in meteorology and formerly of NASA who has authored more than 190 studies and has been called "among the most pre-eminent scientists of the last 100 years."
* Warming fears are the "worst scientific scandal in the history ... . When people come to know what the truth is, they will feel deceived by science and scientists." -- U.N. IPCC Japanese Scientist Dr. Kiminori Itoh, an award-winning Ph.D. environmental physical chemist.
* "The IPCC has actually become a closed circuit; it doesn't listen to others. It doesn't have open minds ... . I am really amazed that the Nobel Peace Prize has been given on scientifically incorrect conclusions by people who are not geologists." -- Indian geologist Dr. Arun D. Ahluwalia at Punjab University and a board member of the U.N.-supported International Year of the Planet.
* "The models and forecasts of the U.N. IPCC "are incorrect because they only are based on mathematical models and presented results at scenarios that do not include, for example, solar activity." -- Victor Manuel Velasco Herrera, a researcher at the Institute of Geophysics of the National Autonomous University of Mexico.
* "It is a blatant lie put forth in the media that makes it seem there is only a fringe of scientists who don't buy into anthropogenic global warming." -- U.S. Government Atmospheric Scientist Stanley B. Goldenberg of the Hurricane Research Division of NOAA, the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration.
* "Even doubling or tripling the amount of carbon dioxide will virtually have little impact, as water vapor and water condensed on particles as clouds dominate the worldwide scene and always will." -- Geoffrey G. Duffy, a professor in the Department of Chemical and Materials Engineering of the University of Auckland, New Zealand.
* "After reading [U.N. IPCC chairman] Pachauri's asinine comment [comparing skeptics to] Flat Earthers, it's hard to remain quiet." -- Climate statistician Dr. William M. Briggs, who specializes in the statistics of forecast evaluation, serves on the American Meteorological Society's Probability and Statistics Committee and is an associate editor of Monthly Weather Review.
* "For how many years must the planet cool before we begin to understand that the planet is not warming? For how many years must cooling go on?" -- Geologist Dr. David Gee, the chairman of the science committee of the 2008 International Geological Congress who has authored 130 plus peer-reviewed papers, and is currently at Uppsala University in Sweden.
* "Gore prompted me to start delving into the science again and I quickly found myself solidly in the skeptic camp ... . Climate models can at best be useful for explaining climate changes after the fact." -- Meteorologist Hajo Smit of Holland, who reversed his belief in man-made warming to become a skeptic, is a former member of the Dutch U.N. IPCC committee.
* "Many [scientists] are now searching for a way to back out quietly (from promoting warming fears), without having their professional careers ruined." -- Atmospheric physicist James A. Peden, formerly of the Space Research and Coordination Center in Pittsburgh, Pa.
* "Creating an ideology pegged to carbon dioxide is a dangerous nonsense ... . The present alarm on climate change is an instrument of social control, a pretext for major businesses and political battle. It became an ideology, which is concerning." -- Environmental Scientist Professor Delgado Domingos of Portugal, the founder of the Numerical Weather Forecast group, has more than 150 published articles.
* "CO2 emissions make absolutely no difference one way or another ... . Every scientist knows this, but it doesn't pay to say so ... . Global warming, as a political vehicle, keeps Europeans in the driver's seat and developing nations walking barefoot." -- Dr. Takeda Kunihiko, vice-chancellor of the Institute of Science and Technology Research at Chubu University in Japan.
* "The [global warming] scaremongering has its justification in the fact that it is something that generates funds." -- Award-winning Paleontologist Dr. Eduardo Tonni, of the Committee for Scientific Research in Buenos Aires and head of the Paleontology Department at the University of La Plata.
from here;
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=11383
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Jul 14, 2011 - 12:02am PT
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bluering you don't even know what a "solar-ray" is (and neither do I, you've seriously misunderstood whatever you were reading)... why would you pick that over a more likely cause?
Because the SUN is the primary source of heat in our solar system.
And by 'solar ray', I mean solar effects on our planet. Have you looked into upticks in solar radiation in the past few years?
Nice trick on the 'blog' thing too. I should trust Ed, and not some scientist quoted verbatim in a blog? Who's right?
I like ya, Ed, and I know you're smart, but don't play they childish 'blog' game. Are you going to tell me there aren't astro-physicists who say solar flares are to blame?
They aren't all bloggers, ya know. But yeah, I could just be stupid and am 'misunderstanding what I'm reading'.
EDIT:
I love the Google toolbar. In that post above by Bluering, which has all of those quotes, you just drag your cursor over a few sentences and it takes you straigh to here:
What are you talking about? It's inaccurate? The quotes?
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Gary
climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Jul 14, 2011 - 12:21am PT
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bluey, that dude's a commie!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piers_Corbyn
Corbyn was a housing and squatters' rights activist in the North Paddington area of Westminster in the mid-1970s. In 1974 he fought for a seat on the council as a "Squatters and Tenants" candidate; in 1978 he and a colleague fought as 'Decent Housing' candidates.[24] In the 1977 GLC election he was the International Marxist Group candidate for Lambeth Central.[25] He and all the squatters in Elgin Avenue were - as a result of their campaign which included the building of barricades against eviction - rehoused to Southwark, South London, by the GLC in 1975. He later moved from that rehousing in Rust Square to the Alvey Estate in Southwark where he became a leader of the Tenants Association.
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