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Splater
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Grey Matter
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Mar 16, 2019 - 03:21pm PT
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"Where is the well designed truck hybrid that gets 30% more mpg?
It might be doable, but is the problem the attitude of most truck buyers? "
No. Maybe some, but an SUV has insufficient cargo capacity (weight, space) for a whole lot of things you use a work truck for.
That's not my question. I asked - Where is the truck hybrid that gets 30% more mpg than the cheap ICE version of the same truck?
Also, no soccer mom SUV can handle the difficult terrain that many truck users drive on a regular basis.
Actually very few truck drivers do that on a regular basis. And why is offroading something this country needs to promote?
But there are way more of them, or at least plenty enough to be a market sector, who would be open to a functional hybrid or electric truck that has bed capacity and rough terrain capability. If that vehicle category had to meet some fleet mileage standards, and/or if there were carbon tax, the cost benefit calculation for a more efficient truck makes it feasible to change behavior, even if they cost more.
All of those policy changes have been needed for 30 years, and have been absolutely opposed by deniers and Repubs, as much today as ever.
"We should go back to raising CAFE standards and apply those standards to ALL non-commercial vehicles. "
I agree. And most trucks as used are NOT truly commercial trucks. For starters, any 4 door truck is by definition not a commercial truck. If it really is a commercial truck, you should be subject to commercial truck rules such as keeping a log.
My thoughts of why there are no efficient non commercial trucks in N. America:
1. cheap gas under $10 per gallon
2. cheap gas under $8 per gallon
3. cheap gas under $6 per gallon
4. lax CAFE rules on trucks
5. historically lax pollution rules on trucks compared to cars, which continue to affect attitudes today.
6. negative attitudes of many who are opposed to anything "green," who think they have a "right" to dump their external costs on everyone else.
7. lax rules on sprawl.
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TLP
climber
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Mar 16, 2019 - 04:21pm PT
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Splater, you're spot on accurate about just about everything. But you're not aware there are lots of jobs requiring a truck that's capable of getting up and down really bad roads; not offroading. Which I agree, there's no reason to promote that.
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Dave
Mountain climber
the ANTI-fresno
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Mar 16, 2019 - 05:32pm PT
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TLP - For a pickup or big rig, no, you don't need 9 hours run time.
I'm a mine manager, and always looking for new technology. There is equipment coming on the market now for mining equipment, but the batteries only last 2-3 hours, and the gear costs 2x diesel.
Why would I buy that? Its not more productive, it doesn't dig or haul better, and instead of fueling once per shift now I have to swap batteries 3x per shift (i.e. drive the machine to a crane, lift the battery out, put a new one in, then drive back to the production area). That is 30-45 minutes of production time lost at least 2x during a shift.
That is why I would want 9-10 hours of run time to make a battery worth it for my application...
Business isn't fluffy, its all about the economics. If its good for the environment, great, but does it save me money?
Hence my prior post - The Dems and greens could go a loooooooong way to winning hearts and minds if the argument was turned into one around the pocketbook. Why is Walmart putting solar panels on their buildings? Why are mines building solar farms? $$$
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EdwardT
Trad climber
Retired
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Mar 21, 2019 - 12:13pm PT
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Order your copy today!
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Splater
climber
Grey Matter
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Mar 21, 2019 - 03:52pm PT
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^^^ call now! faux spews operators are standing by at all times to take your pledge of allegiance to trolling denialism. Important! plez hep, or else an arc on the moon may die!
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TradMike
Trad climber
Cincinnati, Ohio
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Mar 21, 2019 - 04:22pm PT
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Climate change is rather benign compared to the phytoplankton decline which is caused by the human population explosion. Phytoplankton has decreased in numbers by 40% and it's declining at a rate of 1% per year. You would think they would thrive on more carbon dioxide and warmer temperatures. The only logical explanation to the decline is what has changed in the last 40 years ( explosive population growth). The phytoplankton are responsible for up to 85% of our oxygen. We have 60 years at this rate before most of our oxygen is gone. agricultural runoff sewage and anything else that contributes to nitrates into the oceans will make a different type of killer algae kill off the phytoplankton. That is why I say to hell with climate change we have bigger problems. Reduce the population and all these problems go away. Our economy would suffer but at least we will be able to breathe.
The phytoplankton decline seems to be an analogous to the rapid increase in population in the last 50 years
https://images.app.goo.gl/nB2PkWKcxvN6z6DZ7
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TradMike
Trad climber
Cincinnati, Ohio
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Mar 21, 2019 - 06:13pm PT
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Who's to say that the climate change is not driven by the deforestation of the tropical rain forests. The rain forests put moisture in the air and create clouds which in turn reflect the radiation from heating us up. Back to overpopulation again and using up all of the natural resources that help us. They also make it rain in areas that are now not getting rain. Or maybe it's a natural cycle of an elliptical or wobbling orbit around the sun. Or maybe the sun produce more and less radiation depending on its mood. Lots of unknowns that we are foolish if we think we understand completely.
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TradMike
Trad climber
Cincinnati, Ohio
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Mar 22, 2019 - 08:11am PT
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Clouds do a much better job from keeping the planet from warming up than CO2 and methane warms up the earth in its current concentrations. Where are the compelling cloud cover models? They are just starting and have little data and history. Scientist do say if there are no clouds, the earth would warm by 20 degrees. That is a lot more than a couple degrees by CO2. I agree it doesn't seem to be the Sun or our orbit wobble at the moment causing the small increase in overall temps and probably is CO2 but some scientist disagree so the jury is still out.
Here are some top scientist saying they are not sure if more CO2 will increase or decrease our temps.
https://www.windows2universe.org/earth/climate/warming_clouds_albedo_feedback.html
Seems like the deep state is pushing climate change in the media to push their agenda. It would be more believable if they were actually trying to solve the problem and putting forth solutions and policy to bring those solutions forward. It is very interesting that you see little problem solving and more agenda pushing. That is very telling. The real problem is the population but that wouldn't help their agenda.
The real problem is the explosive population increase as shown below. If you believe CO2 is the culprit you should also believe population increase is to blame. I'd have to say things were great when I was a kid. I could drink out of a river and the summers were nice and we drove around in gas burning cars.
http://www.21stcentech.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/Global-population-and-CO2-graph.jpg
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August West
Trad climber
Where the wind blows strange
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Mar 22, 2019 - 11:06am PT
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The real problem are the people that believe the lying liars.
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TradMike
Trad climber
Cincinnati, Ohio
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Mar 22, 2019 - 12:18pm PT
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You used to hear about deforestation causing droughts and less rainfall and clouds. If clouds impact our temperature at a much higher level than CO2 why have the scientists shut up on this topic? Well, the good ones want more data before jumping to conclusions and they are still working diligently. They were all in consensus yesterday on the deforestation problem. The media spewing their agenda has brainwashed way too many people and some of the science community so you think there is a consensus. Hey media go back to reporting on news and offer less opinions and agenda pushing.
https://rainforests.mongabay.com/0902.htm
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Splater
climber
Grey Matter
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Mar 22, 2019 - 12:26pm PT
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TradMike,
This is settled science.
Please stop posting this silly denier chat.
We are done discussing these issues with trolls, bots, and loons.
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EdwardT
Trad climber
Retired
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Mar 22, 2019 - 03:44pm PT
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Your argument from ignorance is compelling only to noobs.
TradMike,
This is settled science.
Please stop posting this silly denier chat.
We are done discussing these issues with trolls, bots, and loons.
As soon as you post this drivel
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then I know you are an idiot or an as#@&%e or both
and you get added to my greasemonkey list.
Uh oh...
The mean girls are doing their thing.
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TradMike
Trad climber
Cincinnati, Ohio
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Mar 22, 2019 - 06:14pm PT
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Name calling is the best sign of ignorance. I agree things are heating up and our explosive population growth is causing it. I worry more about the pollution though killing our oxygen source. Tell me how your children feel in 60 years when they can’t breathe and they’re dying on their last breath gasping for air. A little extra heat is nothing compared to not having oxygen. Did you listen to a single thing I said? Go ahead and overpopulate, I really don’t care. Just try trying to help. Wow, this world has gotten crazy. Your feces will kill the phytoplankton and the fertilizers to feed this enormous population will feed the toxic algae. Where do you think that stuff goes (oceans)? I have tried to get a fish tank to survive with plant material to suck up the toxins. It never works. Algae always wins and kills everything. When I was a child I saw no algae in the Oceans. The reefs were beautiful. Now, everywhere I dive algae is everywhere. It is taking over like I have seen in my tanks over and over. You are flirting with disaster and don’t know it. I wish you could see and know what I have learned over the years.
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TradMike
Trad climber
Cincinnati, Ohio
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Mar 22, 2019 - 06:51pm PT
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I want you to be really pissed off and take that rage to make a difference. Turn it away from me and go out tomorrow and preach a sustainable society. There is hope. We can be great. There still is some time left. I truly believe if we can get back to 1970 levels things might be sustainable. It went downhill fast from there. Just understand, nitrates are the biggest concern, then CO2 to a much lesser degree. But if we got to lower population levels and cleaner energy sources things might be okay. Think fusion reactors and keeping the nitrates out of the ocean and maybe a moderate population is okay.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
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Mar 22, 2019 - 06:59pm PT
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Trad Mike...Tanks a lot !
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TradMike
Trad climber
Cincinnati, Ohio
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Mar 23, 2019 - 11:43am PT
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Phase II: Solutions - more to come
We can use old timey solutions. There is a method where you fallow a flield and plant clover which will give great drainage and when you till it in the next year you don’t need much fertilizer. That whole year growing it also sucked out bad stuff from atmosphere. Then used to make more food. Not much running to the ocean. Treat the feces with some other method. In Africa the plants like I mentioned will try to do the job of sucking up the bad stuff (excrement) and they will do the job if the ecrement doesnt exceed what it’s taking out. Then harvest and bury. We just need to give some socialism to our hard working farmers who are our backbone. Pay twice as much so they can make it happen. They are great hard working people who need some help.
https://images.app.goo.gl/4RWgwg3iZujYyN1P8
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Mar 23, 2019 - 01:37pm PT
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I want you to be really pissed off and take that rage to make a difference. Turn it away from me and go out tomorrow and preach a sustainable society. There is hope. We can be great. There still is some time left. I truly believe if we can get back to 1970 levels things might be sustainable.
And this is happening. I despair for the small towns, and the small town mentality, like Fresno.
In Los Angeles, we are using the same amount of water as we used in 1970. We will source all water locally by 2045. We now have the goal of eliminating all use of coal as an electricity source, and will achieve that soon. We have diverted 80% of trash from landfills.
It can be done. The technology exists. It's a matter of will.
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Splater
climber
Grey Matter
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Mar 23, 2019 - 01:51pm PT
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plez don't bite on these idiot troll denials, which excrete denialist nonsense like a dysentery monster, covering all bases with a never-ending stream of diarrhea.
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EdwardT
Trad climber
Retired
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Mar 25, 2019 - 07:13am PT
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Despite feeling the pressure of the international youth climate protests, Germany joined with Poland, Hungary and the Czech Republic to block an ambitious emissions reduction plan at an EU summit in Brussels today.
But EU leaders will have one more shot to revive the plan at a summit in June.
The European Commission, the EU’s executive, put forward last year a proposal to implement the requirements of the international Paris Agreement by committing to decarbonize the EU by 2050.
The proposal, however, needs to be approved by the EU's 28 national governments.
Poland, which considers itself the leader of a bloc of Eastern European countries resisting what it sees as overly ambitious action against climate change that could damage economic growth, has been lobbying to water down the Commission’s strategy and remove the reference to 2050.
Today, German Chancellor Angela Merkel backed Poland and refused to endorse the 2050 target. The text adopted today also fails to link EU climate action with the Paris objective to limit global warming to 1.5°C. Italian Prime Minister Giuseppe Conte also joined in blocking the ambition.
Speaking after the summit, French President Emmanuel Macron, who is pushing for the 2050 decarbonization deadline, attacked the text adopted today as a result of German and Polish pressure. Calling it “sorely insufficient”, he said it betrays the young people who have been ditching school and marching in the streets in recent months demanding politicians take action against climate change.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/davekeating/2019/03/22/merkel-and-macron-in-battle-over-eu-climate-ambition/#262fb1d06230
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