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klk
Trad climber
cali
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Aug 28, 2011 - 08:27pm PT
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coz, jim's point, and it isn't a trivial one, is that this thread has generated a jillion melodramatic responses all about a nine pitch variation to the aquarian wall. he thinks its a tempest in a teapot.
meanwhile, rad stuff that happens outside of the valley is often ignored on the forum.
i guess the proper response to jim's argument would be, that what happens on el cap is more significant than what happens on any other local cliff we could name, because it was and remains probably the single most important arena for the technical wall skills that then get applied in other, wilder and higher places. so if, after thirty years, we were suddenly to see the emergence of a strain of wall climbing that emphasized really difficult and mostly boltless hooking on slabs that could then go out into the big wide world, wings of steel could, in some dim but not impossible future, be historically significant for the bigger world of mountaineering.
that's not my argument, but someone could make it. i can't imagine a future in which marathon hooking on slabs becomes a big part of climbing culture, but then i never thought bouldering would become popular either.
you guys are both getting old and cranky. this thread seems to have that effect on all of us.
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guido
Trad climber
Santa Cruz/New Zealand/South Pacific
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Aug 28, 2011 - 08:32pm PT
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Hey, it's starting to heat up again maybe now is the time to jump in and throw some punches?
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klk
Trad climber
cali
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Aug 28, 2011 - 08:37pm PT
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guido, that a self-portrait?
didnt know you were maori, heh
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guido
Trad climber
Santa Cruz/New Zealand/South Pacific
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Aug 28, 2011 - 08:41pm PT
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Yep, that's me. 100% Maori and mean as hell. Keeping the weight on as Donini and I have a couple tag team matches coming up soon.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Aug 28, 2011 - 08:46pm PT
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The italian-maori team vs team drama queen.
With a piece of the proceeds going to buy cragman some grownup pants.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Aug 28, 2011 - 08:57pm PT
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Coz, I'm an idiot and a moron for using those words in reference to you- you are neither. Let's just continue to disagree in a more collegial way.
Your on Guido- Piton Ron gets to referee.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Aug 28, 2011 - 09:25pm PT
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I need one of those striped T shirts.
If I wear this one Ammon would just try to steal it.
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klk
Trad climber
cali
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Aug 28, 2011 - 09:33pm PT
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^^^^^^^^^^^that's a lot of leather
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Aug 28, 2011 - 09:58pm PT
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I tried Coz but clearly you are not emotionally up to backing off and considering other sides of an issue. As for the tough guy talk, don't underestimate me son.
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WBraun
climber
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Aug 28, 2011 - 10:00pm PT
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Good grief Coz
Lay off of Jim.
For as long as I've ever known Jim I always have the highest and utmost respect for him.
And the respect has nothing to do with climbing either .....
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Aug 28, 2011 - 10:04pm PT
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Gee... I don't know, what's the appropriate attire- diapers.
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klk
Trad climber
cali
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Aug 28, 2011 - 10:12pm PT
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pretty sad if some of the collateral damage from this pos thread is the two of you going at it.
ironic, too, because from what i know, the two of you have both been pretty invested in reaching out.
donini was one of the old farts at the aac trying to bring in the younger tigers.
and i've seen coz working with the current gen of gym stars.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Aug 28, 2011 - 10:21pm PT
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My last word. Coz, my comments have been about, what I consider, the drama queen quality in this thread. I have not commented once on the climbing involved. I used the words idiot and moron when I saw your ad hominen comments. I apologized for those terms which seem mild for this thread. Your vitriolic response was unexpected.
edit. The fact that I don't think the climbing world's sun rises and sets on el cap is my own opinion which you dont share- so be it.
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'Pass the Pitons' Pete
Big Wall climber
like Ontario, Canada, eh?
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Aug 28, 2011 - 10:37pm PT
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Laughed out loud at your apology, Coz! Uh-oh, Jim promised his last word. Let's see if he keeps it. ;)
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klk
Trad climber
cali
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Aug 28, 2011 - 10:51pm PT
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if that old eyetalian f*#ker had done nothing after latok, that would've been enough.
all the way up and then all the way down as a team of basically unknowns at a point in which "alpine-style" was just coming into view. i have a hard time thinking of that team as "media darlings." not a lot of pub for any of those folks. hard to name a less appreciated crew, outside of a few circles. and one of the most important climbs of that era.
my guess is that most of the st crowd didnt know donini when he started posting here except as a marginal, old-skool yos name.
you two need to get a room or a rope.
what little contact ive had with you both makes me think you guys are a lot alike.
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sac
Trad climber
Sun Coast B.C.
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Aug 28, 2011 - 10:55pm PT
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I noticed in this photo that Ammon M. is wearing elbow pads.
Can't say as I've ever seen THAT before.
Presumably, gear for "technical" slab climbing ... er, slab "wipe outs".
COOL!! Is all I gotta say about that!
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'Pass the Pitons' Pete
Big Wall climber
like Ontario, Canada, eh?
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Aug 28, 2011 - 11:01pm PT
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You'll have to read his story, sac - he tells it all. It's a great story, you're gonna love it, and it's going to sell a ton of magazines. Proud ascent!
And Ammon ain't done yet. Wait'll you see what he's up to next, if not now - he's in a whole new world. YAAAARRRR!!
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GDavis
Social climber
SOL CAL
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Aug 28, 2011 - 11:26pm PT
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Damn, there's some f*#king voodoo in this thread.
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Matt
Trad climber
primordial soup
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Aug 29, 2011 - 01:55am PT
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jebzuz cripes, coz is a total dickwad!
oh wait-
did i just type that or was my account hacked?
not to worry coz,
as i have never done an el cap FA, you therefor need not worry that in my opinion, you are indeed (at least acting like?) a drama queen and an idiot, and a dickwad too- see how convenient that is? i just love having no street cred...
get over yourself already, here online you are just another prick, same as everyone else, or hadn't you figured that out yet?
EDIT
oh and btw-
per your earlier post:
You can attack me anyway you like Jim, there is no right or wrong on this forum, only guys pretending to be something their not.
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I suggest if you want to call me an idiot and a moron you do it to my face, tough guy.
their = possessive modifier
they're = contraction of they & are
if you wanna be told your schmart, try not to mess the easy stuff up!
(so ... t h e r e)
http://www.theretheyretheir.com/
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Da_Dweeb
climber
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Aug 29, 2011 - 03:56am PT
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*Hugs Matt and Jim and Coz*
Of course, as a direct result of this thread, I've joined my college wall climbing organization, so maybe some good has come of it all as well. Guess we'll see if I can still do this stuff at my age, hm?
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